Results 1 to 30 of 66

Thread: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Very Senior Member Gawain of Orkeny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Centereach NY
    Posts
    13,763

    Default Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Ive been wondering what ever happened to him and how he was doing in Cuba. I should have guessed.

    Elian, '60 Minutes,' and the party line
    Oct 10, 2005
    by Jeff Jacoby ( bio | archive | contact )

    Email to a friend Print this page Text size: A A Like Winston Smith, Elián Gonzalez has learned to love Big Brother. CBS News loves him, too. Elián's excuse is that he is 11 years old and has been brainwashed by a totalitarian police state. What excuse is there for CBS?

    Last week, "60 Minutes" aired an interview with Elián, the Cuban boat child who survived a desperate escape from Fidel Castro's island dictatorship in November 1999 only to be forcibly turned over to the Cubans by the Clinton administration the following April. The story was a shameless piece of agitprop. From correspondent Bob Simon's opening description of the Elian affair as a conflict on the order of the Bay of Pigs invasion and the 1962 missile crisis to his fawning speculation at the end that Elián "may have a future in Cuban politics," virtually the entire segment had the oily feel of Cuban government propaganda. Which it may literally have been: Simon disclosed that "Castro's personal cameraman" had "helped" put the story together.

    Anyone who watched "60 Minutes" knows that Elián now has "carefully gelled hair." That he is the president of his seventh-grade class. That he likes math and wants to be a computer scientist. That he thought the best part about being interviewed was getting "a bottle of really cold water and a gizmo in his ear for simultaneous translation." And don't forget that hair.

    "What's also changed about you is your hair," Simon cooed. "Your hair looked very different then. You didn't have hair like that."

    Ever since his forced return to Cuba in April 2000, Elián has been exploited endlessly by the communist government's disinformation apparatus. "60 Minutes" showed him being welcomed as a "conquering hero" and delivering a "patriotic speech in front of the cameras and Castro." (An excerpt of that speech, complete with servile "Viva Fidel," is posted on the CBS website.) "Che Guevara was yesterday," Simon intoned, "Elián Gonzalez is today, and that's precisely how the regime is playing him."

    But Elián was not the only one being played by the regime. "60 Minutes" made much of the fact that Castro came to Elián's elementary school graduation and pronounced himself Elián's friend. "That's quite something, isn't it," Simon gushed, "for the president of a country to say he's honored to have a kid as a friend?"

    Elián: Yes, and it's also very moving to me. And I also believe I am his friend.

    Simon: Do you think of him as a friend?

    Elián: Not only as a friend, but also as a father.

    Simon: If you had a problem, would you call him up and tell him about it?

    Elián: I could.

    Well, it is good to know that Elián thinks so highly of Castro. And one must admire the restraint shown by "60 Minutes," which somehow managed to avoid mentioning that Elián's friend and surrogate "father" is also the world's longest-ruling tyrant, a sadist who has killed or imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents, and, not incidentally, the Stalinist thug who drove Elizabet Brotons -- Elián's mother -- to her death in the Florida Straits.

    Come to think of it, why did Brotons want so desperately to leave Cuba? Why was she willing to risk her and her son's life on such a dangerous -- in her case, fatal -- attempt to cross the 90 miles that separate Cuba from freedom? Was it was the grinding poverty, the ubiquitous rationing, the constant shortages? Was it the lack of the free speech? The suppression of religion? The inability to criticize the government without risking years behind bars? Was it the informers on every block? The political dossier maintained on every student's "political attitude and social conduct?" Was it the knowledge that once Elián turned 11, he would be subject to mandatory labor for six to eight weeks every year? Was it the sheer, soul-crushing misery of living in a country routinely ranked as one of the most unfree places in the world?

    "60 Minutes" had nothing to say about any of that.

    On the other hand, it did show Elián saying -- when prodded by Simon -- that he had no good memories of his stay in Miami, that the relatives who cared for him "tormented" him by speaking of his mother, and that when he was seized at gunpoint by a federal SWAT team, he "felt joy that I could get out of that house."

    It bears repeating: Elián is only 11, and was just 5 when these events took place. He cannot be blamed for spouting the Communist Party line. But CBS has no such excuse. "Helped" by "Castro's personal cameraman," indeed. Edward R. Murrow must be spinning in his grave.
    Yes hes much better off there..
    Fighting for Truth , Justice and the American way

  2. #2
    Old Town Road Senior Member Strike For The South's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Between Louis' sheets
    Posts
    10,369

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Who honestly cares? In a couple of years Castro is gone and I can get my smokes.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

  3. #3
    Dux Nova Scotia Member lars573's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Halifax NewScotland Canada
    Posts
    4,114

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Ive been wondering what ever happened to him and how he was doing in Cuba. I should have guessed.



    Yes hes much better off there..
    Indeed he is the education and health care systems are 2 times better than what he would get in Florida. Especially since Castro wants to milk his PR potential, he'll make sure the little guy gets all the best.
    If you havin' skyrim problems I feel bad for you son.. I dodged 99 arrows but my knee took one.

    VENI, VIDI, NATES CALCE CONCIDI

    I came, I saw, I kicked ass

  4. #4
    Member Member Alexander the Pretty Good's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    New Jersey, USA
    Posts
    4,979

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    And yet he seems to have no idea he's living in a totalitarian state.

    Brainwashing also a plus?

  5. #5
    karoshi Senior Member solypsist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    New York New York
    Posts
    9,020

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    so it seems people outside of the US are not allowed to be content. or at least appear so.

  6. #6
    Arena Senior Member Crazed Rabbit's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Between the Mountain and the Sound
    Posts
    11,074
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Indeed he is the education and health care systems are 2 times better than what he would get in Florida.
    And the official propaganda of a totaltarian regime should be trusted why...?

    so it seems people outside of the US are not allowed to be content. or at least appear so.
    Way to crush that straw man!

    Crazed Rabbit
    Ja Mata, Tosa.

    The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder

  7. #7
    Mystic Bard Member Soulforged's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Another Skald
    Posts
    2,138

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    And the official propaganda of a totaltarian regime should be trusted why...?
    Did he said that? First try to separate, then try to abstract yourself, and finally try to priorize when you make your statement.

    so it seems people outside of the US are not allowed to be content. or at least appear so.
    Yes I love this quote:
    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    Why was she willing to risk her and her son's life on such a dangerous -- in her case, fatal -- attempt to cross the 90 miles that separate Cuba from freedom?
    castro will do anything to keep that dam economic blockade, with out it, he's nothing, dam the guy is smart
    You don't need to be smart if you can use force for everything. Besides "the guy" is loosing his mind recently.
    Last edited by Soulforged; 10-11-2005 at 05:53.
    Born On The Flames

  8. #8
    |LGA.3rd|General Clausewitz Member Kaiser of Arabia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Munich...I wish...
    Posts
    4,788

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Quote Originally Posted by solypsist
    so it seems people outside of the US are not allowed to be content. or at least appear so.
    Go live in Cuba for a few years. Oh, and make sure not to bring any money or anything. See how "content" they are.

    Why do you hate Freedom?
    The US is marching backward to the values of Michael Stivic.

  9. #9
    karoshi Senior Member solypsist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    New York New York
    Posts
    9,020

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    I'm probably the only person in this thread who has been there (maybe Idaho has been there, I dunno). And yet everyone seems to be more "in the know" about the place than everyone else.

    In 1998 I spent 4 months there with an Olympics team on training (I documented them, I didn't train). Felt like parts of Miami. I'm sure there are plenty of run-down areas, but then again, it's those parts that made it feel like Miami - parts of it also felt like parts of Newark. That said, I wouldn't want to live there, but then again I don't want to live in a lot of places (like New Jersey).




    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
    Go live in Cuba for a few years. Oh, and make sure not to bring any money or anything. See how "content" they are.
    Last edited by solypsist; 10-12-2005 at 17:42.

  10. #10
    The Puppet King Senior Member AggonyKing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    California
    Posts
    665

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
    Go live in Cuba for a few years. Oh, and make sure not to bring any money or anything. See how "content" they are.
    I lived in Cuba all my childhood and I was pretty happy. You see we make fun of everything, even if our current situation is as bad as it is now, we still laugh about it and make silly jokes.

    I live in Los Angeles now, I can say I'm happy living here, but one of the things I miss is what I said up there ^^^

    "Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare."
    Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.

  11. #11
    The Puppet King Senior Member AggonyKing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    California
    Posts
    665

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    yes. I went to cuba recently, and no one seem to know were he is, so I'm guessing it got old, but there's these new campaing for the 5 heroes *cough* Spies *cough*
    Last edited by AggonyKing; 10-11-2005 at 05:22.

    "Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare."
    Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.

  12. #12
    Arena Senior Member Crazed Rabbit's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Between the Mountain and the Sound
    Posts
    11,074
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Not only spies, but people who gave flight patterns of a Cuban resistance group operating in international waters to Castro, who had his air force shoot down one of their planes.

    Crazed Rabbit
    Ja Mata, Tosa.

    The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder

  13. #13
    The Puppet King Senior Member AggonyKing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    California
    Posts
    665

    Default Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Not only spies, but people who gave flight patterns of a Cuban resistance group operating in international waters to Castro, who had his air force shoot down one of their planes.

    Crazed Rabbit
    castro will do anything to keep that dam economic blockade, with out it, he's nothing, dam the guy is smart
    Last edited by AggonyKing; 10-11-2005 at 05:34.

    "Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare."
    Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO