Remember Elian Gonzalez?

**Idaho** · 10-11-2005, 12:37

The US gets it's knickers in a twist over Cuba and the rest of the world is largely non-plussed.

That 'article' was perhaps one of the worst pieces of journalism I have read in ..hmm.. days now. It is completely unsubstantive and just repeats the original material making scary ghost noises in the background.

**yesdachi** · 10-11-2005, 16:01

Originally Posted by Idaho

The US gets it's knickers in a twist over Cuba and the rest of the world is largely non-plussed.

That 'article' was perhaps one of the worst pieces of journalism I have read in ..hmm.. days now. It is completely unsubstantive and just repeats the original material making scary ghost noises in the background.

Excellent way of describing the article! Wooooo indeed.

As to Cuba, the US does get more excited about anything that happen there because it is only 90 miles away and there are a lot of people of Cuban decent here.

Not at you, Idaho, just in general.
I am curious if the Cuban people are looking forward to changes after Castro’s passing. Perhaps if there are any Cubans out there they could tell us their thoughts… … *crickets* … … oh, I’m sorry without free speech there’s not much chance for any Cubans to tell us their thoughts.

I don’t think state healthcare is a bad idea but I wouldn’t want to give up any of the limited freedoms I have to get it.

**Tribesman** · 10-11-2005, 16:18

there are a lot of people of Cuban decent here
Damn hispanic illegal immigrants , sneaking into the States , taking honest Americans jobs .....forget the Mexican border , send the minuteman project vigilantes to the Florida coastline .

Hmmm.....I wonder why the usual anti-illegal immigrant posters are so pro- illegal immigrant when it comes to this subject ?

**BDC** · 10-11-2005, 16:20

Cuba is entirely America's fault anyway. Castro only became a communist because America didn't want him to replace wossname, the chap before. So much corruption...

**Tribesman** · 10-11-2005, 16:25

Cuba is entirely America's fault anyway.
Not "entirely" BDC , mainly would be a better word to use .

**Crazed Rabbit** · 10-11-2005, 17:03

So a father should have his own son returned to him if, and only if, we are allies with the political regime under which he lives?

Great family values there.

Sorry, the father has a greater right to his son than anyone else, and that was ultimately what the case boiled down to.

His father? From whom he had been seperated since nearly a baby? Who hadn't seen him in years? How convenient to forget that his own mother died trying to get him to the USA. Admit it: the people here don't care a whit about returning him to his father, they just wanted to appease Castro.

The case didn't boil down to that, it boiled down to Clinton kissing Castro's butt.

And where is all this crap about 'great healthcare' coming from? It seems many are eager to believe whatever Castro's propaganda machine pumps out.

If his healthcare is so great, why hospitals in Havana look like this: http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm?

If it's free to all, why are cubans forced to use crappy hospitals such as the one above, and only cash paying tourists get to stay in the nice hospitals?

And why is the Topes de Collantes Tuberculosis Hospital, truly free to all Cubans during Batsita, now only open to wealthy tourists?

Crazed Rabbit

**English assassin** · 10-11-2005, 17:09

And where is all this crap about 'great healthcare' coming from? It seems many are eager to believe whatever Castro's propaganda machine pumps out.

Since you ask, I always source basic country statistics, like life expectancy, from the CIA world fact book. It may well be crap but it saves arguments with right wing American posters.

**Tribesman** · 10-11-2005, 17:18

Nice site Rabbit

I do like the page that lists the poor innocent Americans who have been assassinated , executed and disappeared , some great cases there eh ?

And why is the Topes de Collantes Tuberculosis Hospital, truly free to all Cubans during Batsita, now only open to wealthy tourists?

Is that because they have eradicated TB amongst the locals ? And how was it free healthcare to all Cubans under Batista . 78% of the population lived in rural locations , there was only one rural hospital , it had 10 beds there are now 62 rural hospitals. Only 8% of the rural population had access to healthcare .
Since you ask, I always source basic country statistics,
Yeah them statistics can be a bit of a bugger can't they , that infant mortality one should really make Rabbit wonder why his countries is lagging behind Cubas , or the ratio of doctors to patients , or dentists , or world leading medical training institutes . I wonder how much more they could have achieved if it wasn't for the embargo and economic sabotage .

**Crazed Rabbit** · 10-11-2005, 18:15

Since you ask, I always source basic country statistics, like life expectancy, from the CIA world fact book. It may well be crap but it saves arguments with right wing American posters.

I didn't say life expectancy was crap.

Is that because they have eradicated TB amongst the locals ?

If so, why don't they let the locals come in for free anyway? Or do they just declare TB to be eradicated and close the hospital to the locals?

I wonder how much more they could have achieved if it wasn't for the embargo and economic sabotage .

Not much. They're a communist state; they never have good economies.

And are you going to actually try and refute the facts about healthcare on that site? Or just try to dismiss them?

Crazed Rabbit