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    Hello, another question, ;)

    It is a Historical Fact that Women stood equal to men in many respects in battle in the Ancient World, in some cultures Women were even Leaders and Generals.

    So the question is can we have female Generals, or would this mess up the Genealogic Tree System and due to Hard Coded Limits?

    Has anyone experimented with this, that could shed some light?

    Thank you
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    What Drugs are you on?

    Meant no offense but in the ancient world women were treated as possessions. Only a FEW instances of a woman being a military position. THough they controlled alot behind the scenes, it was a mans world then, and still somewhat today it still is.
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    It's true that the hellenestic culture that dominated the game area at the start of RTW was very chauvinistic, but in other cultures and other times women held positions of power significant enough to be individual characters.

    However, the RTW game engine doesn't exactly favour this. You can change some of the character portraits to be female, but you wouldn't be able to ensure that they got a female name. They would also marry a woman and have children (unless they had a sterility trait).

    Actually making the wives/daughters in the family trees be represented on the map is beyond our modding ability.
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    No Offense taken Lt :)

    But as Richard said, there were cultures that were even matriarchal in that period of time, and even in the Hellenic world, where women may not have held Important military positions they did have political and relligious ones of high importance.

    The Oracle of Delphi being one small exemple ;)

    On the Modability of this, I thank you once more for clarifying :)
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    Oki,

    Some background for modding aspirations :)


    Amazons
    The Amazons are credited with helping the Trojans against the Greeks in the Trojan War. They are also said to have been fierce women archers who cut off a breast to aid them in shooting, but recent archaeological evidence suggests the Amazons were real, powerful, two-breasted, important warrior women, possibly from the Steppes.

    Queen Artemisia
    Artemisia, queen of Herodotus' homeland of Halicarnassus, gained renown for her brave, manly (according to Herodotus) actions in the Battle of Salamis, in which she allied herself with the Persian Xerxes and against Greece.

    Queen Boudicca
    When her husband Prasutagus died, Boudicca became queen of the Iceni in Britain. For several months during A.D. 60-61 she led the Iceni in revolt against the Romans in response to their treatment of her and her daughters. She burned three major Roman towns, Londinium (London), Verulamium (St. Albans), and Camulodunum (Colchester). The Roman military governor Suetonius Paullinus suppressed the revolt.

    Queen Samsi
    A Midyanite, Queen Samsi rebelled against Assyrian King Tiglath Pileser III (745 - 727 B.C.) by refusing to pay tribute. After fleeing, she was defeated and forced to pay tribute to Tiglath Pileser.

    Queen Tomyris
    Tomyris became queen of the Massegetai upon the death of her husband. Cyrus of Persia wanted her kingdom and offered to marry her for it, but she declined and they fought each other, instead. Cyrus tricked the third of Tomyris' army led by her son, who was taken prisoner and committed suicide. Then the army of Tomyris ranged itself against the Persians, defeated it and killed King Cyrus.

    Trung Sisters
    After two centuries of Chinese rule, the Vietnamese rose up against them under the leadership of two sisters, Trung Trac and Trung Nhi, who gathered an army of 80,000. They trained 36 women to be generals and drove the Chinese out of Viet Nam in A.D. 40. Trung Trac was then named ruler and renamed "Trung Vuong" or "She-king Trung." They continued to fight the Chinese for three years, but eventually, unsuccessful, they committed suicide.

    Queen Zenobia
    Third century queen of Palmyra (in modern Syria), Zenobia claimed Cleopatra as ancestor. Zenobia started as a regent for her son, but then claimed the throne, defying the Romans, and rode into battle against them. She was eventually defeated by Aurelian and probably taken prisoner.


    For More please see this thread: Women in War

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