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Well this is kinda intresting, why would bush not have a fair and open chat with the troops and let them ask and answer freely what ever they want.
http://www.overspun.com/video/CNN.BushFakesIt.wmv
http://www.overspun.com/video/CNN.BushFakesIt.wmv
'Shrubs' obviously had a pointer or two from his buddy Bliar. Bliar won't let 'ordinary' people anywhere near him, never mind ask him a question that Bliar did'n't approve of first.
It's the way poitics has gone over the last decade or so. As long as people allow this to take place without sanction (ie dont elect these lying liars) then things will only get more rehearsed and spun......
I fear for the future.
It's the way poitics has gone over the last decade or so. As long as people allow this to take place without sanction (ie dont elect these lying liars) then things will only get more rehearsed and spun......
I fear for the future.
I don't get it , where is the rest of the footage of them being "schooled" ?
GC it seems to be , unless someone can provide full details of the briefing that show otherwise , completely different from those other cases you mention .
GC it seems to be , unless someone can provide full details of the briefing that show otherwise , completely different from those other cases you mention .
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube:
The Bush administration is the worst yet for having absolutely farces with regards to public relations. Plants in the whitehouse press room (The Gay Porn Star fellow), (shoddy) doctoring of photos to make it look like there are more people attending a speach than there actually are (The Daily Show did a good bit on this one--The Picture was of such poor quality that you could clearly see the exact same person standing 3 people over from himself.), pre-packaged State Department Propaganda (the infamous video of an Iraqi-American saying "I love Bush, I love USA."), ect. ect.
Totally antithetical to the way I think a leader should approach the people who supposedly elected him, of course.
God bless democracy eh?The Bush administration is the worst yet for having absolutely farces with regards to public relations. Plants in the whitehouse press room (The Gay Porn Star fellow), (shoddy) doctoring of photos to make it look like there are more people attending a speach than there actually are (The Daily Show did a good bit on this one--The Picture was of such poor quality that you could clearly see the exact same person standing 3 people over from himself.), pre-packaged State Department Propaganda (the infamous video of an Iraqi-American saying "I love Bush, I love USA."), ect. ect.
Totally antithetical to the way I think a leader should approach the people who supposedly elected him, of course.
On a serious note I thought that film was a lot less suspect than I cynically expect from anything that comes from the white house these days. And to be fair I could see that perhaps this was done for to simply help the guys out of a jam if they start to ramble or whatnot...I was expecting 'Bush will say this, you WILL answer with THIS!'
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube:
Blame it on the fact that the people calling the shots may as well be landed nobility.
They're not already? Seriously, this adminsitration is going absolutely pravda on us. I mean, Fox news was bad enough...Blame it on the fact that the people calling the shots may as well be landed nobility.
Still, this is one of the sure signs that western civilization is on a severe decline, and we are headed for a serious dark age.
Lets see the Pentagon spokesperson was telling the troops what questions President Bush was going to ask them. Now how is that a bad thing? Hell there was even a joke about if the President or a servicemember begins to stutter the Captain was to grap the mike and begin to sing. Now that was funny - and it took the Captain about a second to get the joke.
THe media question part was just funny.
THe media question part was just funny.
This kind of thing is hardly new. Other politicians do the same thing all the time, although mostly more carefully than Bush. It's just an unfortunate side effect of the media becoming a more and more dominating factor for polticians to keep in mind, keeping PR good practically demands staging these kind of things. Particularly if the politician in question is someone like Bush, who isn't at his best when it comes to improvising; he does seem to be somewhat overreliant on things being staged though.
Originally Posted by Redleg:
Hell there was even a joke about if the President or a servicemember begins to stutter the Captain was to grap the mike and begin to sing. Now that was funny - and it took the Captain about a second to get the joke.
Wasn't that because of the time it took to transmit the video and audio?Hell there was even a joke about if the President or a servicemember begins to stutter the Captain was to grap the mike and begin to sing. Now that was funny - and it took the Captain about a second to get the joke.
Check out my poll on liberal media bias. This thread is a perfect example of how people just take the crap that the news media machine feeds them without any critical thinking at all.
Originally Posted by :
Wasn't that because of the time it took to transmit the video and audio?
Probably but I thought I heard him stutter just a little before his comment.Wasn't that because of the time it took to transmit the video and audio?
It was billed as spontaneous, yet the actual questions the President would ask were rehearsed.
This Administation uses the military as theatrical prop for its political messages to an extent that is just nauseating.
This Administation uses the military as theatrical prop for its political messages to an extent that is just nauseating.
Originally Posted by Red Harvest:
It was billed as spontaneous, yet the actual questions the President would ask were rehearsed.
I listened to a behind the scenes recording of the rehearsal on NPR and they totally reviewed the questions and decided who would answer them. This was very lame and could have been really interesting if it were candid. It was billed as spontaneous, yet the actual questions the President would ask were rehearsed.
Why is it so hard for Bush to actually talk to America?
(don’t answer that)
canned and screened town hall meetings are one thing (and not a good thing) but in the case of the military, it's not uncommon to over-organize for anything.
to the civilian population, this can all seem very odd and suspicious, and maybe in this case it is. but most likely not. especially in the light of counter-articles like the NYT one that explain the process and event; so no one is being kept in the dark about it all (except maybe the prez.)
to the civilian population, this can all seem very odd and suspicious, and maybe in this case it is. but most likely not. especially in the light of counter-articles like the NYT one that explain the process and event; so no one is being kept in the dark about it all (except maybe the prez.)
This thread is a perfect example of how people just take the crap that the news media machine feeds them without any critical thinking at all.
Yes perfect , it is really illustrated by comments such as...
On a serious note I thought that film was a lot less suspect than I cynically expect from anything that comes from the white house these days. And to be fair I could see that perhaps this was done for to simply help the guys out of a jam if they start to ramble or whatnot...I was expecting 'Bush will say this, you WILL answer with THIS!'
This kind of thing is hardly new.
I don't get it , where is the rest of the footage of them being "schooled" ?
Lets see the Pentagon spokesperson was telling the troops what questions President Bush was going to ask them. Now how is that a bad thing?
I listened to a behind the scenes recording of the rehearsal on NPR
.....seems like some real absense of critical thinking to me , and a complete willingness to believe any crap the media puts out .
Yes perfect , it is really illustrated by comments such as...
On a serious note I thought that film was a lot less suspect than I cynically expect from anything that comes from the white house these days. And to be fair I could see that perhaps this was done for to simply help the guys out of a jam if they start to ramble or whatnot...I was expecting 'Bush will say this, you WILL answer with THIS!'
This kind of thing is hardly new.
I don't get it , where is the rest of the footage of them being "schooled" ?
Lets see the Pentagon spokesperson was telling the troops what questions President Bush was going to ask them. Now how is that a bad thing?
I listened to a behind the scenes recording of the rehearsal on NPR
.....seems like some real absense of critical thinking to me , and a complete willingness to believe any crap the media puts out .
Originally Posted by Tribesman[I:
Lets see the Pentagon spokesperson was telling the troops what questions President Bush was going to ask them. Now how is that a bad thing? [/I]
.....seems like some real absense of critical thinking to me , and a complete willingness to believe any crap the media puts out .
Lets see the Pentagon spokesperson was telling the troops what questions President Bush was going to ask them. Now how is that a bad thing? [/I]
.....seems like some real absense of critical thinking to me , and a complete willingness to believe any crap the media puts out .
Again how is telling the troops what is going to be asked a bad thing? I did not hear in the media link nor did I read in the news report that the soldiers were told what to state - only who was going to answer and what the question was going to be.
Now instead of saying its an absense of critical thinking - try showing where that is a bad thing - or in your words an absense of critical thinking.
What I saw of the clip was pretty standard for the military back in the 1990s. So saying this is an examble of Bush being dishonest with the Media - is just a reach in my opinion.
Ah poor Red , two nations divided by a common language and a very different sense of humour 
Try reading again what I wrote , in the context of the quotes that I took from various posters in this thread
Try reading again what I wrote , in the context of the quotes that I took from various posters in this thread
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Ah poor Red , two nations divided by a common language and a very different sense of humour
Try reading again what I wrote , in the context of the quotes that I took from various posters in this thread
I tried - the context of how you stated it does not make sense to me. But then I could be just over tired from working basically 12 hour days for the last 3 weeks because of our production schedule. When I get this tired my ability to think because soley black and white when reading. Hell I am not even reading anything important this week because of that - or for that matter no trash fiction - known also as Sci-Fi.Ah poor Red , two nations divided by a common language and a very different sense of humour
Try reading again what I wrote , in the context of the quotes that I took from various posters in this thread
Maybe it will make more sense Monday after a long weekend of actually sleeping for more then 5 hours.
Originally Posted by :
Why is it so hard for you guys (Redleg and DA) to accept that Bush doesn't care about the American people?
Why is it so hard for you to accept that he does? Why is it so hard for you guys (Redleg and DA) to accept that Bush doesn't care about the American people?
Originally Posted by :
A leader should not be able to get away with lying and decieving the people he's supposed to lead,
No he shouldnt. Thats what the job of the press is. But its also supposed to be fair and truthful. Unfourtunatly the press has its own agenda. Talk about lying to the people.A leader should not be able to get away with lying and decieving the people he's supposed to lead,
Originally Posted by :
and it's comments like yours that allow such crap to continue.
Could say the same of yours.and it's comments like yours that allow such crap to continue.
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube:
Why is it so hard for you guys (Redleg and DA) to accept that Bush doesn't care about the American people?
Find an examble better then this one and I might agree with you - however this examble doesn't pass the common sense test having served in the military and watching things just like this occur several times. Under President Bush Sr. and President Clinton. Like I said nothing new - nothing strange - nothing to what your attempting to allude to concerning this exambleWhy is it so hard for you guys (Redleg and DA) to accept that Bush doesn't care about the American people?
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