Oh my dear...

**Kraxis** · 10-14-2005, 22:36

I was having a bit of fun as the Burgundians... Seeing in my ERE campaign that they were doing really well and had some nice units I tohugh of trying them out. Needed a little modding of course. But that was done easily enough.

So my campaign was going nicely along but when I checked up on the Hordes unleashed I was in for a rude shock. The ERE was basically out for the count within 20 years and the WRE was having trouble containing the Goths, Vandals and Sarmatians.

This is how it looks now. Just after 400.

The ERE managed to get Constantinople back from the Sarmatians by vitue of rebellion, and the same can be said of all her possesions other than Crete and Cyprus. I doubt she will ever become a force to be considered again, and she only lives because of the rebellions the Sassanids suffer (religion no doubt).

The WRE can't do much, and the Berbers have captured Carthage easily, even expanded to Sardinia and Corsica (which strangely includes the Balearic Islands).

Personally I have caused a lot of mayhem myself. I sent the Lombards packing early on. They have since sent the Huns on a roll again (twice as the Ostrogoths kicked the Lombards out). The Goths regained Dacia from the Huns, only for it to splinter off and then rebel back to the Goths now sitting in Mediolanum. So the Ostrogoths were on a rampage too for a while, but now they seem to have retaken the old Gothic homelands.
The Huns managed to capture Dacia, Iazyges and Aquintum. Now they are a Horde again... And laying siege to Constantinople.

The Sarmatians are running from the Huns, and have lost several provinces to them, but they are now in competition with the Goths to capture Italy (I don't know who sacked Rome though).
The Vandals left a line of destruction to the west before they settled down in Amorica, they are now very quiet (bordering boring, I might take a detour to kick them off again).

I killed the Saxons after they captured my capital and exterminated it killing my faction leader (GRRRR). Then I turned on the Franks which I had been at war with (but luckily I got a ceasefire from them to deal with the Saxons). They had been on the verge of getting strong... Now they are laying hard into the remaining WRE provinces in France, and I'm picking up the scraps after them, making sure I stay friendly with the WRE (trade trade trade).
Lastly I killed the Alemanni... Hey they were in the way of me getting my required provinces.

But this is total mayhem. The Dark Ages have begun early this time and I'm not the only one to blame.

**Dutch_guy** · 10-14-2005, 22:52

sounds like a fun campaign, interresting map, especially the Sassanids...

They always seem to lose to the ERE ... goood to see they sometimes fight back.

The WRE can't do much, and the Berbers have captured Carthage easily, even expanded to Sardinia and Corsica (which strangely includes the Balearic Islands).

Hmmm I had a really strange thing in my Franks campaign...

I turned of fog of war ot see what was going on in the world , and I looked to the east , where the ERE were beating the Sassanids big time.
But anyway , I also noticed a large Berber stack near Kotais ....Thats right in Armenia !

Now what were they doing over there ?! I mean , picture them walking from morocco to armenia , thorugh WRE ,ERE and Sassanid lands...

Imagine how surprised I was when I sw them there...sneaky Berbers...

Maybe I'll get hold of some screenies that I made , adn post them here, so the .org can see the wannabee expansion of the Berbers ;)

**TB666** · 10-14-2005, 23:05

haha that is awesome.
And it seems like the Ostrogoths are bigger then the goths too.
Very surprising.
In my saxon game I noticed that both the vandals and huns didn't attack the goths and went straight south instead.
It is fun that the game has become alot more random now.

**Kraxis** · 10-14-2005, 23:14

If you have good eyes you might notice a star in the isolated WRE province to the north... Campus Quadi I think. Well there we find the Lombards after they were driven from Campus Iazyges (like everyone else before them, I think five factions have held that one). Suddenly they broke off the siege and looked threateningly at my nearest city. Luckily the approach was wooded and I simply pulled my big garrison (planning on going on the offensive there) south a bit to block them.
I felt a normal field battle would favour me with 6 Lombard Berserkers (amongst others) against all their infantry. But luckily they didn't feel like dealing with me (possibly still scared from my sack of their last city).

So now they are back to dealing with Campus Quadi on and off... But of course that garrison is large so they might actually just have failed assaults for all I know.

The Goths look weak, but hey are not. The Ostrogoths look strong but are rather weak (after all their horde units have been settled). So I suspect that the Ostrogoths will be on the move again soon.

Man that corner of the world is simply in flames. Good I'm not a peasant down there.

**Craterus** · 10-14-2005, 23:37

Nice campaign, exactly the random sorta history-changing stuff I like to see..

Does anyone think it would be worthwhile for me to just do a campaign with auto-calc. It's only half the fun (if that), but it might be reasonably entertaining..

**Taliferno** · 10-14-2005, 23:57

Has anyone actually seen the Celts expand yet from their two starting provinces? (Its a cake walk when you control them really).

**PseRamesses** · 10-15-2005, 22:09

Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

But anyway , I also noticed a large Berber stack near Kotais ....Thats right in Armenia !

In one of my WRE games I had a small berber army walked up through Iberia, France, through the Poo valley and into the Balkans where they got hammered by the Vandals. This have happened also in an ERE campaign where they came marching through Africa and Arabia emerging at the gates of Ctesiphon. It seems, in both cases, that they was trying to help me out against my enemies since we was allies. Only explanation I have. We didn´t have an agreement regarding military access though. Based on this and now your observations it seems to be a "strange" behaviour. Maybee someone should look into this?!

**Kraxis** · 10-15-2005, 22:15

Originally Posted by PseRamesses

In one of my WRE games I had a small berber army walked up through Iberia, France, through the Poo valley and into the Balkans where they got hammered by the Vandals. This have happened also in an ERE campaign where they came marching through Africa and Arabia emerging at the gates of Ctesiphon. It seems, in both cases, that they was trying to help me out against my enemies since we was allies. Only explanation I have. We didn´t have an agreement regarding military access though. Based on this and now your observations it seems to be a "strange" behaviour. Maybee someone should look into this?!

The Poo valley? I guessthe barbarians turned up early huh?

Anyway you might be onto something. The Berbers apparently tend to do odd stuff.

**PseRamesses** · 10-16-2005, 11:47

Originally Posted by Kraxis

Anyway you might be onto something. The Berbers apparently tend to do odd stuff.

I belive it too. They always seems to wonder off somewhere rather than trying to kick out WRE and take Carthage and Lepcis Magna which is the primary target for any player, right?! Instead they seem to be like the Aussies, going on very long "walkabouts". In my two examples, above, it seemed thay where trying to help me out against my enemies but since we didn´t have a mutual military access agreement this seems even more odd.

**Dutch_guy** · 10-16-2005, 14:28

Since were talking about hte weird Berber movement , I think this picture is going to be interresting , as I said earlier in this thread, the Berbers were all the way in Armenia...

Now they're in Europe !

here is a screenie:

Also Notice the red dots on the cmap. map, that's their supposed route