Katrina at Keesler AFB... and my Dad's response!!!

[Major Robert Dump]

While Dave's comments are a little incendeary towards poor people, I think the point he's trying to make about people playing the blame game is a valid one. These folks were warned to leave, and despite repeated showing that the city police force and government was woefully incompetant, they chose to stay and be "protected." Things were blown out of proportion, people shot off at the mouths and everyone started pointing fingers. It was the duty of the mayor or the governor to evacate that city BY FORCE if necessary...people should not have been given a choice to stay, because people are stupid and a lot of them had poor intentions. Martial law should have been declared and everyone cleared out, that way you make sure to get the people "too poor to leave" or "too old to move" FEMA cannot issue an evacuation ORDER......

I think the best picture to sum it all up is the ariel shot of a school bus corral where 100s of buses and underwater....just parked there....not having been used to evacuate people. If the people of New Orleans had just made an effort...just an effort, the whole thing wouldn't have been so sour.

kudos to the people who did help their neighbors. I was reading some things from national guardsmen who said the hecklers were typically only a few thugs/alpha males trying to instigate and the mobs of evacuess were basically telling the thugs to "F*** off these are the good guys"

Now, about the levy...it wasnt just the locals fault, the levy was a federal operation that was being beat around the bush. However, the mayor and governor should have been up the feds butts like wildfire to get the money, yet for decades the project stagnates....

Go easy on the poor people, Dave. Especially the kids. It sukcs being born to poor, worthless parents and having your character subconsciously shaped before your old enough to walk. Also, not all poor people are poor because they are crackheads, drunks or drugdealers...although this was new orleans so I'll degress on that one heh

[Geoffrey S]

Whoa Devestating Dave. So if someone isn't worthy in your eyes they can just rot and die for all you care? Considerate. Sure, you may consider some people as better than others, but that isn't worth a damn if those better people don't use their skills to help others. Forming little elite cliques of 'better' people won't help anyone, it's simply ignoring problems.

[Red Harvest]

I'm proud that I did 10 years of honorable service, which I'm sure is 10 more than you ever did. Just remember when the shit hits the fan, its not some bum off the street that will be protecting you from the enemy or a natural disaster, he'll probably be too busy stealing your TV or raping your wife, it will be some ignorant ass person like me that you could never appreciate regardless. But keep on preaching Jesse, as long as it makes your little bleeding heart pump with pride about how much good you telling people that they'll never be anything.

My wife and I will handle our own security. We don't want or need cro-magnon/Abu Ghraib man around.

You should seek professional help.

[Major Robert Dump]

Btw An Evacuee Who Came To Oklahoma Won The 25k Powerball Lottery Today......his Ticket Was Bought With???? Guess???? Guess???





His Fooooking Fema Debit Card

[Papewaio]

Well I guess he can pay back the Fema card and go look after himself and a few others.

BTW Glad to see you back Major Dump!

[Major Robert Dump]

Spank you very much Pap, i got a little sidetracked with my career but now I can become a net nerd again because I quit! I quit! I'm no longer a corporate whore wooohoooo!!!!

[Papewaio]

Well check the family photos... I've got a youngster.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to get sleep.

[Tribesman]

Well this is very interesting .
A highly organised and disciplined group of people failed to get organised in time , failed to bring what they needed , failed to ensure an adequate power supply and had to resort to looting the base PX .
And they only had to make the tremendously long journey from their workplace , which is also their residence , to the shelter .

This just shows the difference in the quality of people in the US.
Hardly an outstanding example is it ?

[Adrian II]

Well this is very interesting.

Mr President, is that you? I thought Solypsist had banned you on account of right-wing extremism. You prolly just been to pub three days in a row, right?

[Tribesman]

3 days ???? Make that 5 days of drinking some fine Welsh Ale , Cornish Ale and Somerset Scrumpy
And now today back to the Blackstuff

[Adrian II]

3 days ???? Make that 5 days of drinking some fine Welsh Ale , Cornish Ale and Somerset Scrumpy
And now today back to the Blackstuff

My scorecard for the past five days: half a glass of wine, a whiff of Tullamore when someone else's bottle crashed in the supermarket, plus the sight of other peoples' beers on a terrace.
Guess it comes with the territory when you're a Dad.

[Devastatin Dave]

Well this is very interesting .
A highly organised and disciplined group of people failed to get organised in time , failed to bring what they needed , failed to ensure an adequate power supply and had to resort to looting the base PX .
And they only had to make the tremendously long journey from their workplace , which is also their residence , to the shelter .

This just shows the difference in the quality of people in the US.
Hardly an outstanding example is it ?

And I would looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to see how a the Canadian "military" would handle a disaster of this magnitude. eh.

[Papewaio]

Water doesn't really move that quick when it is a Glacier.

[Redleg]

And I would looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to see how a the Canadian "military" would handle a disaster of this magnitude. eh.

Dave you should of said the Irish 'military." Tribesman would just poke fun at the Canadians if they were ever in the same situation..........

[Tribesman]

And I would loooooooooove to see any ex-servicemen regardless of their country of origin holding up a crap example and saying how it is really a good example Dave .
Oh but we just did didn't we



Guess it comes with the territory when you're a Dad.
Hey Adrian , it didn't stop me , I left them here with the wife
They are a little too young for a hill-walking pub-crawl , plus its school time .

[Adrian II]

And I would loooooooooove to see any ex-servicemen regardless of their country of origin holding up a crap example and saying how it is really a good example Dave .
Oh but we just did didn't we

Oh boy, more global warming ahead.

[Tribesman]

Oh boy, more global warming ahead
Would that be enough to melt the glaciers that Pape is on about ?
And can we rely on Goofball to give us a reliable ex-Canadian military perspective on it ?

[Adrian II]

Oh boy, more global warming ahead
Would that be enough to melt the glaciers that Pape is on about ?
And can we rely on Goofball to give us a reliable ex-Canadian military perspective on it ?

He is off killing baby seals for the weekend.

[Papewaio]

I wasn't referring to global warming.

Just that glaciers move a lot slower then hurricanes so they speed of response required is comically slow in comparison.

Then again if the underside of a glacier melts enough say good bye to everything below as the whole thing cascades down as a iceberg sliding down a mountain.

[Adrian II]

I wasn't referring to global warming.

Nor was I referring to glaciers. I referred to Devastatin Dave whose reply would probably inject vast amounts of carbon dioxide, neon and water vapour into the .org atmosphere.

[Tribesman]

He is off killing baby seals for the weekend.

What is the primary use for sealskin ?

[Devastatin Dave]

He is off killing baby seals for the weekend.

What is the primary use for sealskin ?

Its used for protection while having intercourse with your canadian women.

[Tribesman]

My My , that was a very quick edit Dave .
You just beat me to quoting it together with a reference to sexual habits down Georgia way .

[Devastatin Dave]

My My , that was a very quick edit Dave .
You just beat me to quoting it together with a reference to sexual habits down Georgia way .

Glad you got it... tell her the checks in the mail.

[Tribesman]

Yes Dave , but I thought that according to a leading anti abortionist from down your way it was normal to have sex with farmyard animals , not with your mother .
Are you breaking with local tradition ?
Or did you mean my mother ? because that would be necrophilia .

[Devastatin Dave]

Yes Dave , but I thought that according to a leading anti abortionist from down your way it was normal to have sex with farmyard animals , not with your mother .
Are you breaking with local tradition ?
Or did you mean my mother ? because that would be necrophilia .

Glad I wore that sealskin then. Maybe we should continue this in PM, if you'd like to really have some fun...

[Tribesman]

Maybe we should continue this in PM, if you'd like to really have some fun...
No thanks , you have shown yourself to be a vulgar gobshite , that is sufficient .

[Devastatin Dave]

Maybe we should continue this in PM, if you'd like to really have some fun...
No thanks , you have shown yourself to be a vulgar gobshite , that is sufficient .

Well then, stop trolling this thread and find someone else to bug you little name caller...

[Red Harvest]

Then again if the underside of a glacier melts enough say good bye to everything below as the whole thing cascades down as a iceberg sliding down a mountain.

Or a massive lahare mudflow, which is a concern for large volcanic mountains with glaciers on them (Rainier and Seattle/Tacoma.) Not to mention the earthquakes associated with volcanic activity.

Having spent some time across the bay from an active volcano that didn't do much more than steam when it was active (Great Sitkin), I can assure you the quakes are interesting, especially when you are working under heavy equipment. I missed the 7.7 on Adak Naval Air Station, and the initial aftershocks, but was there for several 6+ that followed every month or so. Interestingly, one of the peaks on the other side from the island is getting active again (Kanaga.) It's partner Tanaga has the most perfect shaped caldera in the world if memory serves. One of the two is supposed to have been inactive, but back when I was on Adak in the mid 80's, the navy pilots said that it never had snow in the caldera during mid winter. So they weren't buying the "inactive" part.

(Memorabilia: I built the external facade and roof for the big freezer building on the "Westernmost franchised McDonalds"--don't ask me how they determined the criteria for "westernmost"--there on July 4th, of '87 while the Marines from the Tarawa were conducting an amphibious landing to celebrate. The base is closed now. Would like to go back again sometime to hike and fish, rather than work my butt off.)