what happens to diabanded titles ????

[fester]

So what does happen to a title if I disband the title holders unit?Does it come back up for grabs or do I have to strip the title holder first.

[Grey_Fox]

The title reappears in it's province so you can reassign it to whomever you want.

[Deus Ex]

Disband when the unit/general sucks and you don't need it.

Strip when the unit/general is valuable (if there was a loyalty bonus from the title - the general will take a hit - so make sure he is relatively loyal if you are going to strip him of is title)

DE

[ajaxfetish]

One option if you want to take a title from a good general but keep him loyal is to marry him off to one of your daughters right afterward. Trade one favor for another.

Ajax

[Roark]

RE Stripping: If you have reason to be concerned about the general's loyalty, just take him out of any stack he commands before you strip him of his titles.

[ichi]

Before I remove a title I put the guy in the stack with the King; before I disband I give all the troops in the unit to a better gen.

ichi

[EatYerGreens]

Before I remove a title I put the guy in the stack with the King;

Huh? If he's embedded within a stack, does that mean you're dropping your emissary on your leader? Does that even work (ie the emissary goes greyish to indicate an action is permissable)?

before I disband I give all the troops in the unit to a better gen.

I'll do the same when it's just some vice-ridden individual which needs to be disposed of and I don't want to risk losing my one decent assassin in an attempt at bumping him off (odds on generals are low enough and I still lose assassins on "86% chance of success" missions, on a depressingly frequent basis as it is).

The tricky part is when you haven't fought enough battles lately, or you've been dutifully repairing all your damaged units, such that troop shuffling between them is no longer possible. Sometimes you do get little batches of 10 men, who won't merge with anything because their valour mismatches with everything else of the same type. They are usually all I have left to drop the excess troops into and, in doing so, you lower the valour average at the same time.

I use title stripping when I have a governor with high acumen or useful virtues and a newly acquired province will be worth more with him in charge than the one he's currently looking after. The occasions when I strip titles purely because they've morphed into a 'duffer' are quite rare.

[Geezer57]

Before I remove a title I put the guy in the stack with the King;

Huh? If he's embedded within a stack, does that mean you're dropping your emissary on your leader? Does that even work (ie the emissary goes greyish to indicate an action is permissable)?

If you target your stripping Emissary on the General before placing in the stack, he'll (the Emissary) get the job done nonetheless - it doesn't matter that the General is in the middle of a pile.

[Roark]

The occasions when I strip titles purely because they've morphed into a 'duffer' are quite rare.

Seriously??? Even in your HRE campaign?

My HRE Headache is only at 1185, but corruption is rife.

I get traits like "Foully Corrupt" and "Outlaw" every single turn.

[NodachiSam]

If you target your stripping Emissary on the General before placing in the stack, he'll (the Emissary) get the job done nonetheless - it doesn't matter that the General is in the middle of a pile.

Cool to know. That probably also applies for assassins, spies, inquisitors, and princesses then. I imagine emisarries wouldn't be able to bribe a single unit from a stack though.

[bretwalda]

Cool to know. That probably also applies for assassins, spies, inquisitors, and princesses then. I imagine emisarries wouldn't be able to bribe a single unit from a stack though.

With bribing it happens when they "revise the offered bribe" or something and you can continue or raise or abandon the bribe. I guess...

[EatYerGreens]

Cool to know. That probably also applies for assassins, spies, inquisitors, and princesses then. I imagine emisarries wouldn't be able to bribe a single unit from a stack though.

I was testing a DIY mod the other day, playing as the Almos and had a burst of enemy assassin activity in my lands (you get a message about security measures must be stepped up but I'd set BFs to only be buildable after a citadel was constructed and couldn't do that).

Anyway, even with heirs or royal-bloods on top of the stack, the assassin was somehow whacking unit leaders within the stack. It's impossible for the player to do likewise, though it might have been the case that the target selection was made (by the AI) some turns before I'd merged the victim into the stack and I guess the player could match that.

[EatYerGreens]

Seriously??? Even in your HRE campaign?

My HRE Headache is only at 1185, but corruption is rife.

I get traits like "Foully Corrupt" and "Outlaw" every single turn.

Mine are all coming out as "Believer", "True Believer", "Fervent", "Zealot" and so forth. That unused (unuseable!) crusade marker has been parked up for 50-60 years now and I wonder if that has anything to do with it?

My trade fleet is still tiny and overall cashflow far too meagre to give room for corruption. I suspect these vices are signs that you're raking in the cash and -20% here and there is the same as having two less feathers on a gov, so isn't worth worrying about. It is annoying though.

Actually, that's more of a hope than an assertion. If you're skint AND getting corruption vices then you have my sympathies but I would be puzzled by it too.

[yesdachi]

Mine are all coming out as "Believer", "True Believer", "Fervent", "Zealot" and so forth. That unused (unuseable!) crusade marker has been parked up for 50-60 years now and I wonder if that has anything to do with it?

My trade fleet is still tiny and overall cashflow far too meagre to give room for corruption. I suspect these vices are signs that you're raking in the cash and -20% here and there is the same as having two less feathers on a gov, so isn't worth worrying about. It is annoying though.

Actually, that's more of a hope than an assertion. If you're skint AND getting corruption vices then you have my sympathies but I would be puzzled by it too.

I agree with the idea that you don’t get the bad money vices unless you are doing financially well. In my HRE game (I hope to give an update someday) my governors and generals should be getting new virtues like “penny pincher” and “bargain shopper”.

[EatYerGreens]

my governors and generals should be getting new virtues like “penny pincher” and “bargain shopper”.

Sounds like me IRL! LOL

I've been told that V&V's can't be modded into the game but, if it were feasible, I'd be sorely tempted to add those.
+0 Acumen, -10 Happiness.
"Years of receiving only a minimal allocation from the Treasury coffers have turned this man into a miser. He has been known to serve up only the cheapest cuts of meat to visiting guests and even to himself, though these days visitors are few in number. He sees this as a great success in budgetary control technique."

[dgfred]

Yeah , in my HRE games I would get the 'broke' vice .

[Roark]

My trade fleet is still tiny and overall cashflow far too meagre to give room for corruption. I suspect these vices are signs that you're raking in the cash and -20% here and there is the same as having two less feathers on a gov, so isn't worth worrying about. It is annoying though.

Actually, that's more of a hope than an assertion. If you're skint AND getting corruption vices then you have my sympathies but I would be puzzled by it too.

You're spot-on.

I'm sitting on about $30,000 profit per year, so that makes sense. I expect it's a balancing effect programmed into the game, which doesn't quite have the impact that the programmers desired.

[Ciaran]

Yeah , in my HRE games I would get the 'broke' vice .

You´re not alone. Oh, I manage to get an income of around 10,000, no sweat, the problem is, what comes in at the front goes right back out for salaries. I´ve got some units of Chivalric Knights in queue for retraining, they´re there for about twenty years
One would think ruling most of western Europe, the baltic states and having ships all over the North Sea and the western mediterrean should generate some profit. And I don´t have too many armies, only at the borders, all the rest are one peasant garrisons, even at the borders to my allies (a dangerous thing, but what can I do?).
Were I in a similar situation in Rome, I´d have to worry on how to spend all the money, to keep my family members from going corrupt.