Which Do You Like?

Yes infantry Has Its Strengths Welcome To The Org Syxx

Think I really need to use cav more lol, except Javalin Cav, ive only ever used them as mob uppers except for the general. But in most wargames ive played ive always gone for troops that can shoot and fight ok in combat. Just a playstyle habbit I guess. Pharohs bowmen > all

Just thinking, In RTW my fave army is Egypt of course but in MTW, I used to play most of time as English or Turkish. Average full unit army consisted of about 8-10 archer units. LOL. Balanced? not really, but fun for sure! Those longbowmen are decent at melee when swarmed lol.

Welcome To The site Eyupwoof

Originally Posted by eyupwoof

Just thinking, In RTW my fave army is Egypt of course but in MTW, I used to play most of time as English or Turkish. Average full unit army consisted of about 8-10 archer units. LOL. Balanced? not really, but fun for sure! Those longbowmen are decent at melee when swarmed lol.

Never really liked the longbowmen in MTW. Didn't think they had the accuracy of other units although, if you use that many then the barrage of arrows you put up makes sure it doesn't rreally matter!

Always had a soft spot for the Byzantine Cavalry in MTW myself. Horse archers with some armour and a decent melee attack. Often used them to bait stronger units onto spearmen or kataphraktoi ambushes.

In A Big line Of Lowbow's Heavy Damage Will Be Caused Asside From Them Holding Line A Lot Longer Then A Small Group... With Proper Lines To Hold Off Attacks Or Defenders Whichever the Case Keep A Good Strong Unit Like Cavalry Back behind Until They Get Close Once There Close Send Cav And pull Back Lowbows So They Arent To Close But Arent To Far Which Will increase Accuracy While Protecting Bows Be Sure To Have a Backup Incase Cavalry Falls Though The Chance Is Small Because Most times Enemy Will Rout Due to Being Outnumbered Making This A Great Defence

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Pride Of The Horde :charge

That Wasnt How i Had It ... I Set It up Like This
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P.S: Dots Are Nothing ignore them

Hard to choose between inf and cav... I really like cav archers, warrior monks, no-dachi and bfn. But in serious games, I won't use any special units. I mostly use 4-6 ranged 4-6 inf 4-6 cav. mostly 6 ranged, 6 inf 4 cav.



ps: when playing with mongols(happens rarily - i prefer hojo) I like cav the most.

I prefer balanced armies, unless a map or situation (1v2 or 2v3, or "beg mani" games) calls for something different. I try not to be attached to anything in particular (have "favorites"), as this can affect decisions depending on the opponent, environment (map), situation (weather, attacking, defending, bridge, mountain etc.). Use what is best suited for the circumstances.

STW - v1.02, 10,000 koku (most players use 10K online):
I always take 4 musket units, varying from h1-h3 (usually h2). I rarely used upgrades on them, but if I do it's always only 1 armor.

If the situation calls for an army with a ranged emphasis (usually defense), sometimes I will bring an archer or two (h0 usually; if I have extra mani then maybe h1).

I use more cavalry than average. I almost always take 2-3 (sometimes 4) Naginata Cavalry (h3-4, usually h4), and 1-2 (sometimes up to 4) Yumi Cavalry (Cavalry Archers, most often h0, sometimes h1 if I have extra mani). Cavalry Archers are great for harrassing and drawing the enemy out of formation. They can also be used to great affect by circling around back and affecting enemy morale while the enemy is engaged with other units. I like Yari Cavalry, but in a 10,000 koku army they are not as effective as Naginata Cavalry because their base morale is so much lower (4, as opposed to 8). I do enjoy Yari Cavalry's speed though. Sometimes I'll take Heavy Cavalry (h3, usually 2 along with 2 Naginata Cavalry), but again, because of the Naginata Cavalry's superior morale (8, as opposed to the Heavy Cavalry's 6) and speed, I prefer Naginata Cavalry.

I love Yari Saumurai! They handle almost all units well if you spend enough mani and honor them up. Most of my 10K armies will use at least 2 units, and often I use the max of 4 (most players still limit the maximum of any particular unit type to 4 online). I use at least h6, and use upgrades on Yari Samurai more than any other unit (w1 or w2, sometimes a1). My signature army uses 4 h7w1 (or a h7a1 variant), but these are VERY expensive, so if I do, they comprise my entire non-ranged infantry. As you can imagine, this requires some careful and effective use of cavalry and ranged units.

Yari Ashigaru are almost always banned online (they are too cheap and easy to honor up to ridiculous levels, at which they destroy just about anything; they're supposed to be peasants for Pete's sake). I don't use them in online games, but I of course, I do in Single Player games.

I use No Dachi Samurai instead of Warrior Monks. Monks are expensive, and for the same or slightly higher cost you can purchase No Dachis of 1-2 honor levels higher than Warrior Monks (h5 No Dachis, as opposed to h3 Monks; h4 monks are very expensive and usually the rest of your army suffers if you choose them in a 10K game). If I use No Dachis, I usually take 2 or 3 units, and will often use 1 or 2 weapon upgrades on them.

I don't use Battlefield Ninja online unless we are playing on very specialized maps (like Yamato). I usually use Kensai only on Yamato or like maps, though sometimes I will use them as Generals (at very low honor levels because they are so expensive and level up very rapidly during the battle). Using a low level Kensai as gen will free up mani for other units.

I rarely use Naginata Infantry. In 1.02, their base morale is low (4) when considering their cost. Also, they move very slowly, and their heavy armor causes them to fatigue rapidly. If I do use them, it's when I'm defending and plan to remain relatively stationary (which I tend not to like to do so ...). In v1.03 however, their morale is double that of 1.02, which makes them much more appealing, when defending in particular ... .

I don't use arquebusiers because they don't fire in the rain. Too much of a gamble for me, despite their low cost. Their range and accuracy also are much to be desired. I use muskets instead.

M:TW-VI
I don't have nearly as much experience with M:TW online as I do with S:TW. I use balanced armies, usually with 2-4 Archers, or Pavise Crossbows or Arbalesters (depending on the period), 3-4 Feudal or Chivalric Men-at-arms, 2-4 Militia Sergeants, and 6-7 Cavalry. The type of cavalry varies considerably depending on the faction I use. If Alan Mercenary Cavalry are available, I use them for their speed and hit-and-run ability. I love Skelezy for the same reason; though they are slower, they have a ranged attack, and melee well. If playing in the Late period I enjoy playing the Spanish for their Lancers, arguably the best Heavy Cavalry in the game if used carefully. As far as Knights are concerned, Feudal Knights with 1 more Valor seem to do better than Chivalric Knights (v1 to v0 at 10,000 florins, for example). In low florin games (5-6K), Feudal footknights make great infantry.

As far as faction-specific units go, I like the English for their Longbowmen, and will almost always take 2-3 (sometimes 4) of these when fighting in the desert. They also are a decent counter to Boyars (but ya gotta use them well, and the rest of your army too). When playing a desert game, the units I take (and factions I'll choose ...) are very different from what I normally bring to non-desert scenarios. The key with desert games is light armor. The Turks are my favorite desert faction (though I enjoy the English as well--I just use Highland Clansman, Hobilars, and Mounted Sergeants to avoid the fatigue incurred by the more heavily armored English units). Jannisary Infantry are great multipurpose units (ranged and melee), as are Ottoman Infantry and Futtuwas (higher valor is needed for these though). The Egyptians are interesting, but I've found it hard to compete with well-chosen Turkish and English armies in desert scenarios. Perhaps it's just my inexperience, as I've seen vet players do quite well with them.

I enjoy the Byzantines in Early and High periods. Their cavalry are fun and very effective if used carefully (I especially enjoy Byzantive Cavalry with their ranged capability and decent melee ability when valored up). The same applies to Byzantine Infantry, but you have to take them at high Valor. You also have to use them differently than other infantry (defensively, whereas Men-at-Arms are better played offensively).

The Russians are excellent in Early and High, but require talent to use well. Boyars backing up Militia Sergeants, accompanied by Alan Merc Cavalry, can wreak havoc in the hands of a skilled player. I have not yet acquired the special finesse to do well with the Russians consistently, but I still have fun with them.

Finally, I've seen many players use arquebusiers in the Late period, at Valor 4 with weapon upgrades (weapon upgrades are cheaper for ranged units, and Arquebusiers defend very well when used properly). I haven't had much success with them, so I rarely use them. I have run my army up against them on many occasions though (definitely not a good thing to sit there and get shot up by them ...), and as often as not, they hold me up enough for my opponent to flank with cavalry and hurt me badly, if not route me (Sir Gawaine of Orkeny is notorious for this). His signature army combines these with Longbowmen, supported by cavalry. An unusual configuration, and surprisingly effective.

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I haven't had a PC that can handle R:TW, so that's something I get to look forward to for now. With all that's being posted about the new revision, I am really anticipating some fun with it when I get a new PC.

My, got a bit carried away there ... well, that's my ten cents worth, for what it's worth.

Great post Toga Thanks For the input Very Well Detailed Lets Me Know Almost Exactly What You Mean Except For The MTW But Talking about It Is Helping Me Learn The Tech And Units Which is great For When I Get It
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Originally Posted by HoH Leader

Great post Toga Thanks For the input Very Well Detailed Lets Me Know Almost Exactly What You Mean

I second that!!! Again such great post, Toga Now where are those senior membership promotion threads? I have a nomination to make!

yes Definitly you put alot of thought into your posts makes it worth reading again :D great work
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Originally Posted by Drisos

I second that!!! Again such great post, Toga Now where are those senior membership promotion threads? I have a nomination to make!

I think you are confused with the HoF awards. Senior membership promotion is an award of the forum staff.

Unfortunatly, last years HoF awards did not occur because of the forum switch and because the person who used to organize them left. I do hope someone will volunteer to organize them this year.

Most kind, Drisos and HoH Leader. As you know my friends, awards doth not an honorable man make. I am content to do as I do, and if folks benefit from anything I share, then I am happy.

i like to use infantry the most with calvary backup and if i can a few balista to chuck flaming bolts of fury into enemy lines

Originally Posted by Ludens

I do hope someone will volunteer to organize them this year.

If people trust me with the job, I'm volunteer definitely! I'd like too see a HoF 2005.

Ludens, I did not know that senior membership is given by staff... I thought it was an sort of poll system too. Well, an award will do Perhaps I should PM tosa?

Toga my friend, I did not fully mean that you must get an award. I meant to say that you deserve one. It's indeed not really necessary to get it because I and others know you're such a great charactere.

Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin

if folks benefit from anything I share, then I am happy.

Your a happy guy then your a great help around here as many are and i thank you for that
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Ive Only Been Here 6 days Lol It Seems Like Forever But thats probably because Of How Much Im Here
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Unlike Toga in the post above, I'm a bit of a sucker for "favourites", which makes my battles a bit cack-handed, but fun to watch!

I love jinetes, which, if the foe stay reasonably still (and that's a big if) can be devastating and send the enemy packing before they reach your main force.
Their downfall is the "babysitting" necessary to make them effective.

But overall, I love the cav, and the potential for sweeping horse-full screenshots they give.

Saying that, a unit of my clansmen turned over a group of Bohemian feudal knights last night- maybe they are my new favourites...

Yes Im A Sucker For Cavalry Cant stay Away Which Sometimes is my Downfall And Sometimes i also Catch Myself Getting ready To Use All Cav And Stop Myself and Balance Out Otherwise Rushing into The Wrong unit Will Be A Massacre For Cav Welcome to The Org Floplexter
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"Ive Only Been Here 6 days Lol It Seems Like Forever But thats probably because Of How Much Im Here "

so young and already addicted..

Lol Yes Im Sorry I Cant help It Whats not To Be Addicted about ^_^

Because im Not A Member yet I Will Post this here Instead Of Stw Forum
My Approach To Crossing a Bridge Is Bring About 2 Or 3 Cav Archers About 3 or 4 Cav (Whichever You Want) And Some Strong infantry preferably fast now i move everyone up close to bridge and line them up as i send them off cav archers then strong infantry then cav now the point of this is the cavalry archers are able to get over the bridge fast and start firing fast this brings the ai's attention to cav they will send a few infantry or whatever and all all archers in range fire at the cav now you rush the fast infantry over the bridge and straight into the pile coming at your cav archers then a little into the skirmish
i rush cav over bridge and off to the side and if they kept there general or daimyo whichever the case i move my cav out away from skirmish i let them wait a little while full attention is on skirmish i then rush them in at the general or daimyo if this is done right the general or daimyo should be left alone in the back while other units try to stop the archers and skirmishers once the general or daimyo is dead the enemy will begin to rout another advantae to getting them in the back is once they rout your cavalry are in the back already... leaving you able to take out a vast majority of routed troops quickly and leave minimal survivors to get away to friendly province which will reduce your problems later on in campaign or whatever the case may be :D
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my approach to bridge battles is just to pecker them wif fire arrows and balista bolts if possible till there morale sucks so bad that if one dude dies they run like a panzy

Hey all;

I'd have to say in MTW, I always dominated with
the Almohad Urban Militia as my core army. They
still maintained the maniple or legion formation.

In RTW, I happen to enjoy the punishment the
Phalanx Pikeman can deliver if on attack, or defence.
They are efficient too, and in loose formation, easy to mobilize.

In BI, The Warlord does measure for measure, punish
the enemy. they eventually pay for their recruitment tenfold.

Welcome to the org Dagobert II And Rilder Thanks For The Input :D
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Originally Posted by Drisos

Ludens, I did not know that senior membership is given by staff... I thought it was an sort of poll system too. Well, an award will do Perhaps I should PM tosa?

No, it is a reward of the staff for contributions to the forum or the community in general. DA started an open nomination for Gawain, but I am against such a thing. I think it appropriate that the forum staff has a way to reward members as well as punishing them, but if Senior Member becomes a matter of public approval than it loses this function.

Anyway, enough rambling from me: I would also like to see a HoF 2005 and I would definitely nominate both you and TogakureOjonin for your work on keeping S:TW alive .

Thanks for the intro HOH Mystic,
I appreciate that...

Ok, lets add to the list the Mongol Heavy Cavalry,
they are an impressive sight to see...

Infantry ,because of the phalanxes!!!

But i love also cavalry with +++ charge bonus.

yea Phalanx ... some times i think those hoplite militia are blessed by the gods when i'm defending