what happens to titles when the character dies?

[starkhorn]

Folks,

In BI, there seems to be a titles system back again where you can grant titles to some of your generals (for example lord of the saxon shore, or lord of briton or whatever).

My question is what happens to titles when the character dies? Are they lost like all other retinues? Or if not can I assign them again to new characters? If so where and how?

Many thanks.

Cheers
Starkhorn

[manbaps]

Its another bug/feature you have to transfer them before the character dies. Stupid.

[starkhorn]

ahh ok, bugger that's a pain. I think I'll make a post in the bugs list sticky thread in the vague hope CA see it and try to fix it.

Many thanks for your swift reply.

Cheers
Starkhorn

[Kraxis]

A bug? Really? Aren't they just very hard to get?

I mean I mananged to get a few titles later in my ERE campaign, but I didn't get them all because my characters got filled up with ancilliaries too fast.

[manbaps]

Well the ones you get at the beginning will disappear unless you transfer them over like all other retinue members and as of yet not had them appear on any other characters retinue once they have disappeared. So i mean they act like normal retinue members but surely offices shouldnt die with their bearer?

[player1]

It's NOT a bug.

There are triggers for reapearance of "lost titles" which are fired when general is in town of proper size and with proper attributes.

Of course those triggers don't fire if office is already takes by somebody.



For reference here are triggers for all offices:

Trigger trigger_office_amici_principis_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = proconsuls_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 1
          and Attribute Influence <= 6
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_amici_principis_east
          and Trait Loyal >= 7

    AcquireAncillary office_amici_principis_east chance  55 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_amici_principis_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = proconsuls_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 1
          and Attribute Influence <= 6
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_amici_principis_west
          and Trait Loyal >= 7

    AcquireAncillary office_amici_principis_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_comes_dispositionum_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and Attribute Influence >= 2
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_comes_dispositionum_east
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_comes_dispositionum_east chance  55 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_comes_dispositionum_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and Attribute Influence >= 2
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_comes_dispositionum_west
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_comes_dispositionum_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_comes_domesticorum_equitum_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Trait GoodCavalryGeneral >= 1
          and FactionType empire_east
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_comes_domesticorum_equitum_east
          and Attribute Influence >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_comes_domesticorum_equitum_east chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_comes_domesticorum_equitum_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and Trait GoodCavalryGeneral >= 1
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and FactionType empire_west
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_comes_domesticorum_equitum_west
          and Attribute Influence >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_comes_domesticorum_equitum_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_comes_litoris_saxonici
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType romano_british
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= governors_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 2
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_comes_litoris_saxonici
          and Attribute Influence >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_comes_litoris_saxonici chance  33 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_dux_britannium
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType romano_british
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= governors_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 2
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_dux_britannium
          and Attribute Influence >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_dux_britannium chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_eran_spahbod
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and Attribute Command >= 3
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_eran_spahbod

    AcquireAncillary office_eran_spahbod chance  50 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_equitum_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= cavalry_barracks
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 3
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_equitum_east
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and not Trait BadCavalryGeneral >= 1
          and not Trait GoodInfantryGeneral >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_equitum_east chance  33 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_equitum_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= cavalry_barracks
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 3
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_equitum_west
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and not Trait BadCavalryGeneral >= 1
          and not Trait GoodInfantryGeneral >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_equitum_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_memoriae_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_memoriae_east
          and Attribute Influence >= 2
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_memoriae_east chance  55 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_memoriae_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_memoriae_west
          and Attribute Influence >= 2
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_memoriae_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_militum_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= army_barracks
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 4
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_militum_east

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_militum_east chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_militum_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= army_barracks
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 4
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_militum_west

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_militum_west chance  88 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_officiorum_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and Trait GoodAdministrator >= 1
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_officiorum_east
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_officiorum_east chance  50 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_officiorum_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and Trait GoodAdministrator >= 1
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_officiorum_west
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_officiorum_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_peditum_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= army_barracks
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 3
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_peditum_east
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and not Trait BadInfantryGeneral >= 1
          and not Trait GoodCavalryGeneral >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_peditum_east chance  25 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_peditum_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= army_barracks
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Command >= 3
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_peditum_west
          and Attribute Influence >= 1
          and not Trait BadInfantryGeneral >= 1
          and not Trait GoodCavalryGeneral >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_peditum_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_scrinii_east
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_east
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and Attribute Influence >= 2
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_scrinii_east
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_scrinii_east chance  50 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_magister_scrinii_west
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition FactionType empire_west
          and EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists = imperial_palace
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Management >= 1
          and Attribute Influence >= 2
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_magister_scrinii_west
          and Trait Loyal >= 5

    AcquireAncillary office_magister_scrinii_west chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_mobadan_mobad
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_one_god_awesome_temple
          and IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Trait Zoroastrian >= 1
          and Trait Lewd <= 1
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_mobadan_mobad
          and Trait ZoroastrianPiety >= 1
          and not Attribute Command >= 3
          and Attribute Influence >= 1

    AcquireAncillary office_mobadan_mobad chance  66 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_son_of_chinglu1
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition WasAttacker
          and IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and CultureType hun
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 51
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_son_of_chinglu1
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_son_of_chinglu1 chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_son_of_chinglu2
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition WasAttacker
          and IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and CultureType hun
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 51
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_son_of_chinglu1
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_son_of_chinglu2 chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_son_of_chinglu3
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition WasAttacker
          and IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and CultureType hun
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 51
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_son_of_chinglu1
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_son_of_chinglu3 chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_alemanni
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType alemanni
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_alemanni
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_alemanni chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_celts
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType celts
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_celts
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_celts chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_franks
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType franks
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_franks
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_franks chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_goths
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType goths
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_goths
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_goths chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_ostrogoths
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType ostrogoths
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_ostrogoths
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_ostrogoths chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_sarmatians
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType sarmatians
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_sarmatians
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_sarmatians chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_saxons
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType saxons
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_saxons
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_saxons chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_slavs
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType slavs
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_slavs
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_slavs chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_office_warlord_vandals
    WhenToTest PostBattle
    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and BattleSuccess >= clear
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 1.5
          and PercentageEnemyKilled >= 45
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and not IsFactionHeir
          and FactionType vandals
          and not FactionwideAncillaryExists office_warlord_vandals
          and Attribute Command >= 4

    AcquireAncillary office_warlord_vandals chance  100