Why hollywood killed Menelaus and Agamemnon ?

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Craterus 21:50 10-24-2005

I believe Ajax dies on the way home. His ship is caught in a storm, and sinks. But he, manages to swim to the safety of a rock. At this point he says something along the lines of "Even the great water god, Poseidon cannot kill me!"

Then Poseidon sends up a huge wave to drown Ajax.

ajaxfetish 21:59 10-24-2005

As I recall, he doesn't die in the Iliad, but is dead by the time of the Odyssey. Other writers besides Homer fleshed out the details which Homer left unclear. Apparently it resulted from a dispute with Odysseus as to who should get to keep Achilles' armor.

Ajax is a somewhat tragic character considering the relative lack of recognition he received and all the work and value he contributed to the Greek army (especially considering that unlike most everyone else he didn't have a patron god to watch his back).

Ajax

ajaxfetish 22:09 10-24-2005

Originally Posted by Craterus:
I believe Ajax dies on the way home. His ship is caught in a storm, and sinks. But he, manages to swim to the safety of a rock. At this point he says something along the lines of "Even the great water god, Poseidon cannot kill me!"

Then Poseidon sends up a huge wave to drown Ajax.

I think there were two Greeks named Ajax in the war, this being the lesser one, who was not shown in the movie.

Ajax

Craterus 22:18 10-24-2005

I was describing Ajax Oileus. My mistake.

I still haven't seen Troy, it should be interesting. I'll make some comments when I do...

Papewaio 23:11 10-24-2005

Originally Posted by Kraxis:
Hollywood is a moneymaking area. Do not expect any chances beyond LotR... Which was not all that big a chance anyway.

I do agree that the movies are now more and more business like... which was something that Lucas orginally detested... I do think he has changed, his own rise would have been a better model for Anakins turn to the darkside in which power ultimately corrupts.

Sony BMG talks about placing enough product on the shelves in (Video/DVD) hire stores by making lower quality straight to hire movies that are sequels to well known brand names.

Batman is referred to as a franchise as are other movie series including Star Wars.

They are businesses out to make as large a profit as possible. If we are lucky a few gems are found amongst the aweful mass of movies.

End of the day something as expensive as a blockbuster movie or a video game will always have to make a massive return or it won't be made in the first place.

Red Peasant 20:00 10-28-2005

The greater Ajax committed suicide when he was denied the arms of Achilles as he - quite rightly IMO - considered himself the greatest of the Greek warriors now that Achilles was dead. Sophocles wrote a moving tragedy about this incident, one of my favourites.

The lesser, or Locrian, Ajax was held responsible for the rape of Cassandra in Troy's temple to Athena, and the outraged goddess, in collusion with Poseidon, brought about his death in a violent storm on the homeward journey. There is a marvellous poetic description of this incident in the Aeneid [I.40], which is deeply impressive in the original sonorous Latin.

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