Faction names.

[khelvan]

I'm going to be closing this, as its purpose is only trolling now. So I will explain things in depth before I do so.

The Aedui were the largest Gallic tribe, I'll give you that. But just because something is the largest, does it mean you refer an entire race by it's name?

As explained nicely, it would be incorrect for us to create "factions" out of tribes that were not united, historically speaking. We have chosen the most influential tribes, or in the case of the Gauls, confederacies or alliances of, c. 270 BC, rather than create an ahistorical faction throwing together all people of a particular race. This would imply that in 270 BC there was some greater nation, which there was not.

In the case of the Gauls, the Aedu were in control of the greatest portion of the Gallic territory and number of tribes. If we were to add the other Gallic lands, and the lands of the descendants of Gauls, we would have Galatian lands, all of Gaul, even perhaps some of Britain under control of the "Gauls." This is silly and ahistorical, and makes no sense for us.

So, since we are not representing these people as a race, but as tribes or tribal confederations forming smaller, actual nations, we name them as those tribes or nations would call themselves, as best we can determine. Just as we name the larger nations in their native language.

Historically, Carthaginians were known as Carthaginians. I have read a few history books about Carthage and I've never heard the term Tsorim. The Romans referred to them as Carthaginians, so why aren't you?

Absolute bollocks. The Romans referred to Carthage as Carthago, and they referred to the nation of Carthage as "Dominium Poenum," or "the domain of the Phoenicians." If you have read a few history books about Carthage, as you claim, you should know this. Making errant claims doesn't really support your argument.

Tsorim comes from Dr. Charles Krahmalkov, the leading Punic scholar of our day and the one who published the information about how the people named themselves. The political entity will be named differently from the people. Just as the political entity of Rome is "Senatus Populusque Romanus," and the people are "Romani," so the two will be different for Carthage. From our personal interaction with Dr. Krahmalkov:

Regarding your question, I actually know the answer, because I'm the one who found and published this item of information. The Carthaginians called their republic Safot Softim biQarthadast "The Rule of the Softim in Carthage" or,
more informally rendered, the "Suffetic Regime in Carthage." The Softim (singular: Sufet) were the two annually elected presidents of the Republic. By the way, the Israelites called their government in the pre-monarchic period (before Saul and David) Shafot hash-Shoftim biYisra'el ("The Rule of the Shoftim in Israel"). Hope this helps you. Best regards and keep me informed.
Charles

So, the formal name of Carthage will be "Safot Softim biQarthadast" (possibly affected by the transliteration format we have chosen), and the people will be one of: Tsorim, Ponnim, or Qarthadastim, all of which were used by the Phoenicians to describe themselves according to Dr. Krahmalkov.

Why do you feel it is necessary to change the name of every faction?

You forget, this is a total conversion. We're starting from scratch. We're giving each faction the name they gave themselves. CA's choices are completely and utterly different from ours, and they obviously did not have the same goals.

Our goals are immersion and education when it comes to our naming conventions. CA's goal was recognizability in English.

If you want me to believe your names are even close to historical reality, give me reference, authors, book titles etc.

I am afraid we don't answer to demands made in this way, and have no responsibility to do so. Thanks for your interest, though.

To add to that: CASSE, as far as I0 know and i have read a few books on briton and the celts, was only a small tribe and was not the name of the whole country.

You're correct. They were, however, to grow to control all of southern Britain, and were the tribe that came closest to uniting the entire island. They were the most influential, which is why we chose them over other tribes.

Also the rebels were not called Eleutheroi by any stretch of your imagination.

You really are just searching for something to complain about, aren't you? Well, troll, we came up with a Greek name to encompass the free people of the world, who are not members of the depicted factions. Greek because it was still the most influential language of the time.

Also, the Parthians were not called Parni. They were called Parthians. I could understand if you called them Persians, but not Parni.

Then your understanding is borne of ignorance.

I've searched most of these names on Google (amongst other search engines) and I've also been to the library. I have never heard of any of them. Neither has the library, so it seems.

We always enjoy people who say they can't find things on the Internet - no offense, but you shouldn't expect to find serious academic research on the Internet, unless you have access to JSTOR (or whatever it is called - the academic network). I would wager a lot of money that your local library is not the best place to find in-depth research, academic publications, and the publishing of archaeological and textual evidence, either. That is usually reserved for detailed educational libraries or specialized libraries.

Though I would also wager you didn't actually bother to read any books in the library, but at best asked a librarian (good luck with that) or did a title search for "Tsorim" or something. I have no evidence for that, call it a hunch. You won't find "Tsorim" in anything outside of an in-depth publication on the Punic language, by the way. Good luck finding that in your local library.

I thought EB was supposed to be for everyone.
It seems very specific as to who can play and who cannot...

EB is for everyone. Not everyone is willing to cast aside old prejudice and misconception enough to play, though. Not everyone is open to learning new things.

Steppe Merc is young, and really has to learn to watch what he says, because he knows damn well that what we say in public, no matter how innocuous, will be thrown back in our faces. He does not represent all of EB, but rather his own opinions, and even then I think it reasonable to assume he misstated his own opinion. The reasonable person would not hold up his statement as some sort of evidence against EB; are you a reasonable person? Obviously EB is meant to be played by everyone. Not everyone will enjoy it, however.

But did they own the country and were all the britons and gauls called that ?

I DONT THINK SO!!!!!

Try to wrap your brain around this, troll: There was no group of "britons" who controlled all of the island; they didn't even share the same culture, much less form a nation. There was no group of "gauls" who controlled all of Gaul. Thus, you're wrong, as there would be no name for this "nation;" it did not exist.

Casse is the name for the most influential tribe in Britain, and the Aedu were in control of the largest Gallic tribal confederacy. Your arguments make no sense nor do you, and because of you and your childish actions I must now close this thread. Please troll some other forum.