Eleutheroi Free Peoples: The Mamertines of Messana

**Divinus Arma** · 11-04-2005, 06:03

I have no idea if we have included this or not, but this would be a fine example of what the Eleutheoi could represent in 272 BC:

The Mamertines of Messana

Discussion?

**GoreBag** · 11-04-2005, 06:53

Cool, and a fine example for the logic of the inclusion of rebels. Maybe this should be a font for such stories.

**Pyrros** · 11-04-2005, 16:58

Even an excellent one. People that are too weak to start any expansion, but still more then able to defend themselves against outsiders.

Other side, is the Rome behaviour on the subject - helping Mamertines from Messana, even after what they did to it's inhabitants. And Regium shows how desertion from Roman army is punished..

**Spendios** · 11-05-2005, 16:26

Very intersting way to consider how "rebels" should act in the game.
I'm currently re-reading Salammbô of Flaubert and was wondering if it was possible to re-create the mercenary revolt that occured after the first punic war? It would be cool if you have no money and a lot of mercenaries in your armies than the mercenaries revolt against you, ....but it must be hardcoded.

**QwertyMIDX** · 11-05-2005, 19:00

We can do some wonderful things with scripting, but we might not be able to manage that one.

**Jolt** · 11-05-2005, 23:28

What happens to mercs when you run out of money? I've never ran out of money while having mercs incorporated in my armies. I suppose they'll just continue existing in your forces, right?

**Pyrros** · 11-06-2005, 00:49

Are you sure that it cannot be done? Conditions could be like "no Carthaginians on Sicily" (war=lost; lack of prestige and decent military), "money=low" (war exhaustion; and unwillingness to pay mercenaries); can searching for mercenaries in armies be done? and eventually delating them? (desertion)

Even if not, is it still possible to create some rebel stack under such conditions? We can assume rotation among Cart mercenaries, some still could go unpaid. Add a lot of Libians here (they had other reasons for fight) and you can have decent military uprising.

BTW, it should probably add some money to Carthage, as they went with mercenaries cheaper way (and at least this one time they realized what "patriotism" is)

**QwertyMIDX** · 11-06-2005, 02:19

We can do something, we just cant have all the mercs in the armies go rebel. At least I don't think so, the scripters would know more.

**Simetrical** · 11-08-2005, 04:38

Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX

We can do something, we just cant have all the mercs in the armies go rebel. At least I don't think so, the scripters would know more.

It shouldn't be that hard. It would take a lot of lines of code, but they'd only be executed if the conditions check out, so it wouldn't be taxing on the computer.

**Ludens** · 11-08-2005, 20:00

Originally Posted by Simetrical

It shouldn't be that hard. It would take a lot of lines of code, but they'd only be executed if the conditions check out, so it wouldn't be taxing on the computer.

If so, then why draw the line at one incident and not make all armies have a chance to rebel if there is not enough money to pay their wages?