If anarchy breaks out in your country. What would you do?

[scooter_the_shooter]

Some of you may know that I frequently browse gun forums. About half of the people there are paranoid. Many of them have arsenals in case anarchy (rioting in the streets, invasion, biological weapons attack, looting that sort of thing) breaks out. They also have bug out bags with food, water, etc. Their "normal" shtf kit goes something like this

A rifle or shot gun(some both) the most popular seem to be an ar15 or ak47 and a remington 870.

A hand gun. These vary greatly most popular are, Sigs, glocks, Berettas, 1911s(to many brands to list for a 1911) or any double action revolver.

These guys are all pretty "extreme". Some of them claim to have places in the mountains to hide during an attack on the USA. And some are in Militias that drill for this sort of thing


And I forgot they are all FAR right conservatives. With a few libertarians thrown in.


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Any way that got me thinking. What would a liberal do if the shtf? Or a conservative who is not paranoid like them? Or what about a person in a country with no guns.


Me I really Don't know. Probably grab my service six(its a revolver), A couple hundred rounds of 38 special, some food and water and get the heck outa' dodge.

[BDC]

Run away. The nearest hills are the highlands, so that's about a 400 mile trek. So steal some good walking boots and some food. Maybe a fast car too.

[Byzantine Prince]

In the extreme case that that hapens, just come on over to Canada. We're lonely up here.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Another thing I think every one is going to say "head for the wilderness" but if every one does that won't there be some theft, fighting(Well shooting in the USA) spread of the disease(if there is one)

[Ianofsmeg16]

fight back and die honorably!
you may think this wierd, but then again, why in gods name would their be anarchy in the isle of man?

[Kanamori]

Re-watch The Road Warrior for inspiration.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I thought there were no guns on the isle of man so how could you fight, with cricket bats and knives? This is why I wanted to know about the people in anti gun countries. How would they defend themselves from groups of people.

[Sjakihata]

I'd probably be the one starting the Anarchy - so I'd just go with the flow.

[Ianofsmeg16]

there's a rifle club (that i'm part of) in every town, and alot of people own guns, it's just we have no permanant military presence and no armed police...we'd fight back, but it'd probably be a guerilla campaign

[scooter_the_shooter]

Ok I thought the Isle of man was like a minature UK.

[The_Doctor]

Go crazy broadway style.

I would probably try to:
-organise my neighbours/anybody I can find.
-Find some weapons, probably at a military base (I assume the military is gone).
-Steal a ship, with help from my armed followers, and sail away to somewhere that is not in anarchy, like the Isle of Mann.

[The Stranger]

I thought there were no guns on the isle of man so how could you fight, with cricket bats and knives? This is why I wanted to know about the people in anti gun countries. How would they defend themselves from groups of people.

be in a other group of peoples duh or just

but i would till they

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[Viking]

I`d raised an army and claimed myself king of Norway, then killed those who started the anarchy.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Ok I thought the Isle of man was like a minature UK.

Think of the uk 20 years ago, with more guns and nationalism

[Idaho]

If some form of civil disorder occurred (not anarchy - that is something else entirely) then I would be very glad of the shortage of guns around in the UK.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I feel a lot safer with all the guns around. I'm not a world champion kung fu master wrestler.....But with a gun I could beat one! They are the great equalizer
a 70 year old man could send a thug in his prime running, with a cheap 38 snubby

[The_Doctor]

I have a better idea.

After I have taken a ship (probably one of the Mersey ferrys) I can become a modern day Viking.

All will fear the Mersey Ferry of Doom!

[Idaho]

If there was a major disaster, why would I want the problem exacerbated by people shooting guns? Better that whatever relief operation or local organisation could work uninhibited. Your hyperthetical is adolescent nonsense I'm afraid.

[Togakure]

... What would a liberal do if the shtf? Or a conservative who is not paranoid like them? Or what about a person in a country with no guns. ... .

Probably die of shock and disbelief at the onset; or by getting shot while standing on a pedestal and whining about the "unfairness" of it all; or of starvation, or exposure, after the enemy or conservative survivalists relieve them of their useful resources--assuming they don't mouth off and get dusted in the process.

Obviously being sarcastic. I would substitute the word "prepared" for paranoid in the quote, above. Hmm, reminders of zanshin keep popping up in my life lately ... maybe something wicked this way comes ... muahahaha.

It's good that you brought this to mind. Back where I was living a couple of months ago, the father of my Godchildren (a 16-year US Special Forces vet), some other friends with military backgrounds, and I did indeed develop a strategy (not a plan; plans are a bit dodgy at best in such situations), and stock up some provisions and tools. We identified several destinations with waypoints along the way, that offered a variety of benefits depending on the problem at hand, how to get there, how to survive there, what tools and resources we needed, etc.

Now, having moved across the country, that strategy no longer applies to me. While my buddy here is a great lawyer, he's not really the outdoorsy type, and we have a bundle of very young children. Furthermore, we live in a much more densely populated area; competition for resources and safe spots would be much heavier here. On the other hand, he is Vietnamese, and survived fleeing Vietnam with AK-47 rounds blowing chunks out of their little boats as they fled. Having spent two years or so in Malaysia in poverty before making it over here, perhaps I am not giving him, and his Vietnamese wife, due credit. Lol, I don't think we'll be discussing such things anytime soon though. We have a big bag full of 'right now' challenges with which to deal.

I can only imagine a few countries where a resourceful, determined person couldn't get guns in a pinch if he put his mind to it.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I will Muster a boarding party to attack your ferry! We willl steal the submarine on display in cleveland!

[Soulforged]

If you're talking about the common sensical anarchy, it all depends on if the others try to attack my loved ones or me. In any other case I care little for pointless struggles without an objective. If the objective is just then I'll join and support them.
If it's anarchy properly said, then I'm the factor, one of the sources of life from where freedom and equity borns. And the barrier of state power too.

[Kagemusha]

Only way i see that an anarchy would break out in my city,would be civil War and in that case i would be on one of the sides fighting.

[The_Doctor]

Bring it on!

The MF Doombringer can take down your smell old sub.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Toga I do have a place I can go and plenty of guns. Thats all my plan is though. I dont want a rifle or shot gun because I would not want people to know I am armed. You raise alot of very good points. I might look into a real plan now

[Adrian II]

Me I really Don't know. Probably grab my service six(its a revolver), A couple hundred rounds of 38 special, some food and water and get the heck outa' dodge.

LOL, imagine two hundred and eighty million Americans grabbing their guns, some food and water, and getting the hell out of [insert local hellhole]. That would meet my definition of anarchy to a tee.

The morons on such forums are usually the biggest threat to their fellow citizens in unstable or hasardous situations. They are prepared for all sorts of black-and-white situations like spontaneous shoot-outs and such; not for the sort of gradual and unexpected political disintegration that usually creates havoc in nations and in the long run causes anarchy if people don't (re)organise.

The wise man looks for ways to control anarchy, not increase it. Guns may come into play occasionally, but I think building networks is much more important. The real antidote against anarchy is building alternative forms of social organisation in which civilised life is preserved or restored. The Hobbesian aproach is a dead end.

[Arcanum]

I thought there were no guns on the isle of man so how could you fight, with cricket bats and knives? This is why I wanted to know about the people in anti gun countries. How would they defend themselves from groups of people.

In a country without Guns allowed there won't be anarchy. The police would beat down the rioting germans without any problem.As for the extreme, I would either:

Be one of the people who started the riot

Or:

Beat down the friggin' rioters with a stick!

And yes, I do realize that anyone can get a weapon if he wants to, but there's not enough Weapon fanatics to supply a riot here, heh.
I am so sure that I won't need any riot plans for the next 50 years in germany, except if something really world changing happens, and I mean it. Like atomic bombs dropped over Berlin or some such, in that case we germans would be most likely dead anyway.

[Steppe Merc]

I would pack up my family, arm myself and head them to Canada for safety (assuming Canada is not also in anarchy).

[scooter_the_shooter]

LOL, imagine two hundred and eighty million Americans grabbing their guns, some food and water, and getting the hell out of [insert local hellhole]. That would meet my definition of anarchy to a tee.

The morons on such forums are usually the biggest threat to their fellow citizens in unstable or hasardous situations. They are prepared for all sorts of black-and-white situations like spontaneous shoot-outs and such; not for the sort of gradual and unexpected political disintegration that usually creates havoc in nations and in the long run causes anarchy if people don't (re)organise.

Only 80 million of us have guns. Which imo is too low.


And I would not mind having a friend in a militia with lots of supplies in such a situation! Would you?

[Mongoose]

Hmmm....maybe you should give us more details about whats happening?

I would pack up my family, arm myself and head them to Canada for safety (assuming Canada is not also in ).

sounds reasonable, though i doubt that canada would be with out problems if they U.S was falling apart.

[RabidGibbon]

Theres only one sensible course of action to take when law and order collapses,

Thats to get yourself one of these and join a gang of leather wearing anarcho-freak-serial killing-heavily peirced-sodomy bikers.