Multi-culturalism

[Fragony]

Multiculture, if it worked, fine, eventually. Multicult; bleh.

[Papewaio]

Surprise I am for multiculturalism.

I am against mono-culturalism. That is practiced by those who believe in only their culture and wish to force others to partake of their culture.

A quick cross-section of mono-culturalists.
Cults, KKK, Aryan Nation, Nazis, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Communism.

I also would add that most problems caused in immigration are lack of understanding (which leads to fear and anger) and the inability to communicate. These are related issues. I think that it is up to the immigrants to learn how to communicate, it is also up to the society to help them learn. If you truly accept an immigrant you cannot leave them to fend for themselves. If they are to become a viable upstanding member of society you need to show interest in them, an understanding of their predicament and the oppourtunity for them to learn and understand you too.

So I do think at school, children need to be taught the fundamentals maths, science, the local language, some history and current social studies, sports of the country and foods too. Adult immigrants can find it very difficult to learn, I am not so worried about that portion. As long as we integrate the children and teach them respect for themselves, their parents culture, their new society and other cultures then we are heading in a positive future driven direction.

On the flip side, someones culture should never be used as a defence for a crime. If anything someone who comes from a criminal causing background should get a heavier sentence. This would limit their own chance of creating a family and hence limit them continuing the cycle.

In short I think it is lack of knowledge and self esteem that causes most racism. The key to that is teaching and mixing.

[Soulforged]

A quick cross-section of mono-culturalists.
....Communism.

Sorry but as you know now I couldn't let this pass. What in the hell has to do communism with culture?
Some people confuse communism with political theory, but now it's with cultural models?

[Papewaio]

Simple you either join the communists of go to a gulag/die in the killing fields/mines/leave the country.

Communists only accept communists.

[Lazul]

well communism as an idea has little or nothing to do with culture. The problem is that the communistic experiments that has taken place the past century went so totaly wrong and 'they' forced their own, made up, culture on the people.
I doubt Marx would have like the idea of cultures being forced upon the people.

[Soulforged]

well communism as an idea has little or nothing to do with culture. The problem is that the communistic experiments that has taken place the past century went so totaly wrong and 'they' forced their own, made up, culture on the people.
I doubt Marx would have like the idea of cultures being forced upon the people.

He didn't.
Pape: One thing is to say that I don't accept capitalists, another thing is to say that I don't accept your language, for example. Capitalists are not to be accepted because if they're all the revolution will be for nothing. If other cultures are accepted then there's no problem.

[GoreBag]

Communism is an extension of the idea that everyone is equal. In order for everyone to be equal, no one can be different.

[Fragony]

I am against mono-culturalism. That is practiced by those who believe in only their culture and wish to force others to partake of their culture.

Sounds like the multiculture just got mono.

In short I think it is lack of knowledge and self esteem that causes most racism. The key to that is teaching and mixing.

To achieve what? You think you are building but you are really destroying. Racism exists because people are racist, nothing more nothing less. All the multiculti priests in the world cannot change human nature, people will always flock around their own kind.

[Lazul]

[B]To achieve what? You think you are building but you are really destroying. Racism exists because people are racist, nothing more nothing less. All the multiculti priests in the world cannot change human nature, people will always flock around their own kind.

...to achive a lesser amount of people being murdered due to their race?

What are the anti-racists destroying that is so valueble to keep?

[Rodion Romanovich]

I say this again: most racists aren't racists but scared of laws typical to foreign cultures taking over in their countries because the foreign culture becomes a majority. It's a valid threat they see, and the so called anti-racists who are against adding guarantees in the system that the locals will remain majority reinforce this racism, and create a future scenario where either the former local population or the immigrants will most likely become victims of oppression and real racism. In short - anti-racists create the racism and oppression of minorities they claim to be against. I'm against oppression of minorities and against minorities, but looking at history I've seen that there must be some type of guarantee that the locals will remain majority in order to avoid a such racial oppression and violence scenario.

[Fragony]

...to achive a lesser amount of people being murdered due to their race?

What are the anti-racists destroying that is so valueble to keep?

Anti racists mistake love and hate, there is nothing wrong with loving your own culture. There are really so many reasons to do so, as doing so is part of it. BUT, this worshipping has taken an ugly turn, as loving your own(european) culture is quite inpopular nowadays. If that is a false statement we could as well all go hindu/muslim/satanist; where exactly aren't we a culture of our own? And why should we change really, why are they comming here then. If they do, be like us, or try living without us. Both are fine witth me as long as nobody robs my granny.

[Papewaio]

I am against mono-culturalism. That is practiced by those who believe in only their culture and wish to force others to partake of their culture.

Sounds like the multiculture just got mono.

How is it mono? If you read the whole post you would see that it talks about more the one culture.

As long as we integrate the children and teach them respect for themselves, their parents culture, their new society and other cultures then we are heading in a positive future driven direction.

So nothing about not liking your own culture. About learning respect for who you are and where you are. And learning to respect other cultures.

In short I think it is lack of knowledge and self esteem that causes most racism. The key to that is teaching and mixing.

To achieve what? You think you are building but you are really destroying. Racism exists because people are racist, nothing more nothing less. All the multiculti priests in the world cannot change human nature, people will always flock around their own kind.

To achieve a country that is stronger, more vibrant, peaceful, harmonised.

I suggest you come to Australia, you will see people intermixing, people staying with their own kind, people intergrating, people chosing not to intergrate. They certainly do not always flock with their own kind.

If we all did flock with our own kind we would end up with the same genetic problems as incest... this is what happened with the European Royal families limiting themselves to only other Royals. The Russians ended up with rare genetic defects.

[Fragony]

.I suggest you come to Australia, you will see people intermixing, people staying with their own kind, people intergrating, people chosing not to intergrate. They certainly do not always flock with their own kind.

I suggest you come to the Netherlands, and see how it works when it gets a bit crowded. In Australia I expect people to have a bit more personal space, did you know there live more people here then in the entire continent of australia? It is a pressure boiler I tell you, living together while leaving eachother alone fine, but multiculture isn't tested before people actually have to sit on eachother lap. Let me tell you that it is a disaster. You have a rather attractive asian girlfriend, but that is just the multiculture within your own walls. Walk outside and it gets ugly.

[Papewaio]

I suggest you come to the Netherlands, and see how it works when it gets a bit crowded. In Australia I expect people to have a bit more personal space, did you know there live more people here then in the entire continent of australia? It is a pressure boiler I tell you, living together while leaving eachother alone fine, but multiculture isn't tested before people actually have to sit on eachother lap. Let me tell you that it is a disaster. You have a rather attractive asian girlfriend, but that is just the multiculture within your own walls. Walk outside and it gets ugly.

Where I work there are Australians... Lebanese, English, Irish, Indian, Turkish, Pakistanis, Fijians, Dutch, Italian, Indonesia etc etc. Same thing when I head to the food halls, get a bus, go shopping, wait in line at the bank, go to a library, or catch a train during peak hour and wish you were a sardine.

Over 90% of Australians live on the coast. 80% of Australians live in cities. 25% of Australians are born overseas, then add in second plus generations and you end up with a swirl of different ethnic and religous backgrounds. So our cities are a whole rainbow of groups and multiculturalism.

If you are going to live on each others lap I suggest you learn to be more cordial with each other.

[yesdachi]

I am against mono-culturalism. That is practiced by those who believe in only their culture and wish to force others to partake of their culture.

Sounds vaguely similar to the practices of most religions I can think of.