Impious Franks

**lars573** · 10-31-2005, 00:04

Originally Posted by Sir Chauncy

Just out of interest, is their any real advantage to making your faction one particular religion?

I have noticed people complaining about it for a while now and the desperate drive towards Christianity is confusing as I can see no real benifits: the pagan temples offer particular bonuses but Christianity offers one of these...

The Christian church gives a large happiness bonus, medium law bonus, and a decent population growth bonus. The Monestary buildings give more happiness plus as the Franks you gets priests and paladins (and a veterancy bonus for them too).

**Sir Chauncy** · 10-31-2005, 22:00

Ah right, that explains something then. I still don't get how you get paladins though, aren't the Frankish family members all Paladin bodyguards anyway ?

My head hurts, I think I am going to have a sit down.

**TinCow** · 10-31-2005, 22:35

Originally Posted by Sir Chauncy

Ah right, that explains something then. I still don't get how you get paladins though, aren't the Frankish family members all Paladin bodyguards anyway ?

My head hurts, I think I am going to have a sit down.

Yes, the general unit is called "Paladin Bodyguards" but there is also a seperate cavalry unit called just plain "Paladins". They are not a general unit and can be trained in two turns once you get the Monastery, or whatever the second level of the hermitage is called. They are better than Noble Warriors.

**dismal** · 11-01-2005, 20:13

Originally Posted by lars573

you gets priests.

Are people using priests? Effectively? I have only played one christian campaign (as ERE) and didn't bother to make them.

**Viking** · 11-01-2005, 20:19

Well, they look somewhat cool, but effeciently I don`t think is possible. I haven`t trained them as the Franks as they take 2 turns to train, and that every unit slot is important when you play on VH/H and faces uber experienced Allemanni soldiers and Lomabrd Berserkers.

But on the other hand morale is my problem, so I might actually give them a try.

**TinCow** · 11-01-2005, 21:05

I always try and include a unit of priests/monk in my main armies. I find they are very useful in keeping up morale on the main line while my general moves with the flanking force. If they weren't there, my main line would break more easily.

**Dutch_guy** · 11-01-2005, 22:04

haven't used them a lot, actually I can count the times I have on 1 hand.

So I use them very, very rarely.

Does someone know what the morale bonus is they give , is it compareable with a low star commander / general ?

**lars573** · 11-01-2005, 23:51

Originally Posted by dismal

Are people using priests? Effectively? I have only played one christian campaign (as ERE) and didn't bother to make them.

Every chance I get. For the role they are mean't to play they are very effective. I was always chuckling to myself while people here were wailing to no end about camp followers as battle field units (priests, druids, screaching women) but they work so well their unhistoricalness is never on my mind. Having support units such as priests in your battle line turns it it to stone.

**Trithemius** · 11-03-2005, 01:00

Originally Posted by lars573

Every chance I get. For the role they are mean't to play they are very effective. I was always chuckling to myself while people here were wailing to no end about camp followers as battle field units (priests, druids, screaching women) but they work so well their unhistoricalness is never on my mind. Having support units such as priests in your battle line turns it it to stone.

I don't know if they are entirely unhistorical? There is a a great little anecdote in the WRG DBM list book 4 that talks about a pagan commander deciding that people who prayed to the gods for him to lose were not noncombatants.

It probably makes more sense that shrines give morale (or experience) bonuses to troops recruited in settlements that have them built, but battlefield shrieking is probably as close to operational level "psy ops" like standing on cliffs and shouting at approaching fleets as you can get, given the game's engine?

What makes me sad is that you cannot have priests running around as agents, converting family members (or being killed while trying to convert them) and proselytising in the provinces. Christian's has its evangelism, the pagan's have charismatic cultic leaders, and I suppose the Zoroastrian's must have a tradition of conversion to draw upon too (even if most of it took place rather early on).

**The Stranger** · 11-02-2005, 11:54

Originally Posted by dismal

Are people using priests? Effectively? I have only played one christian campaign (as ERE) and didn't bother to make them.

and you get paladins/burgundi lancers etc...wich are more important though if youre lombardii i wouldnt know wether to choose berserkers or lancers

**kataphraktoi** · 11-02-2005, 14:17

at least the Byzantines with priests is historical enough

**Kraxis** · 11-02-2005, 17:13

Originally Posted by dismal

Are people using priests? Effectively? I have only played one christian campaign (as ERE) and didn't bother to make them.

When as the ERE I usually try to have a single unit of Priests with me everywhere I send a large army or one that is supposed to hold an important position. And of cours I love to see them rip routers apart... There is just something morbid about seeing priests clubber people to death with their crosses. Luckily CA has made Priests very slow so onlt seldomly do they get a proper chance at this.

**lars573** · 11-02-2005, 20:07

That's the thing about Priests/monks they really aren't mean't to fight. I think of them a morale booster that happens to be able to fight hand to hand.