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    I second what Brutus and AdrianII said, and will like to add that the Inquisition compared to the secular courts of the same time were like night and day.
    The brutality and injustice of the secular court was a stark contrast to the Inquisition with their modern-way courts that had judge, jury, prosecutor and defender.
    Some authors on the subject have said that it was English propaganda against Spain during their war that black-painted the Catholic Church and her Inquisition(Spanish)... and I tend to agree.
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    I would though add that it is quite accurate that Inquisitors were quite guilty of heinous torture in "investigating" heresies. Also as per Burtus' comment about in name still existing... close. The inquisition was officially dissolved in 1971 shorlty after many of the reforms of Vatican II went into effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerald Wolf
    I would though add that it is quite accurate that Inquisitors were quite guilty of heinous torture in "investigating" heresies.
    Yes, but let's not forget that torture was regarded as a legitimate means of interrogation, used by lay and ecclastical courts alike (though always carried out by laymen). So the inquisition was by no means unique in this respect.
    Also as per Burtus' comment about in name still existing... close. The inquisition was officially dissolved in 1971 shorlty after many of the reforms of Vatican II went into effect.
    Actually, I believe the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, of which Joseph Ratzinger was prefect before he became pope, is the same office as the Inquistion, though renamed.

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    Yes, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was known as the Sacred Congregation for the Universal Inquisition until sometime last century.

    I was a Grand Inquisitor once... We went around saying "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" before swiftly erecting a stake and burning people at it...
    A few friends and I are thinking of going to a local cultist heretical church dressed as Inquisitors on behalf of the Holy Inquisition of the City of Dundee...
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Malcolm
    I was a Grand Inquisitor once... We went around saying "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" before swiftly erecting a stake and burning people at it...
    A few friends and I are thinking of going to a local cultist heretical church dressed as Inquisitors on behalf of the Holy Inquisition of the City of Dundee...
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    In the context of its times the Inquisition wasn't all that bad a bunch - for one they tended to require some decent proof of guilt, which wasn't exactly a consistent line among temporal courts... They also tended to be fairly lenient all things considered - most of the people investigated (and not found guilty) were eventually sentenced to some suitable methods of penance if they admitted the error of their ways and repented. Torture was normally only resorted to if less drastic investigative measures were stymied (and this might take up to a year...), and even when used tended to be frankly bland and unimaginative. Particularly in comparision to the disquieting inventiveness shown by the temporal authorities, but then again they normally used torture as a form of public corporal punishement (ie. cautionary example; the common folk tended to consider it a good show...) whereas the Inquisitors were actually trying to interrogate someone instead.

    Anyway, most of the time they concentrated on chasing after heretics, apostates and the like, which isn't exactly surprising if you remember that the Inquisitors' main job was in practice the upholding of Catholic institutions and faith. The pre-Reformation Church was actually a fairly laid-back outfit - so long as you paid your dues and didn't try to challenge them in some fashion, they didn't actually care too much of what you did or believed in.

    Start trying to tear down their cozy little setup, though, and the worst-case result would be Cathar Wars and Albiguensian Crusades...

    Anyway, whatever debatable good the Reformation did it most certainly ushered in some one and half hundred years of near-universal religious fanaticism, persecution, atrocity and general unpleasantness that didn't really quiet down before the mind-bogglingly destructive Thirty Years' War which was in many ways extreme enough to make all but the fringe loons take a step back and seriously reconsider.

    As a side note, witch-hunting tended to be more of a King Mob and local authority pursuit. They tended to be the ones to pay the professional with hunters too, who as they were paid by the number of witches found andto boot tended to get the choicest pickings of the late sinners' worldly possessions had a certain incentive to be excessively competent... Most of the time if an Inquisitor or just plain higher temporal authorities got involved - ie. someone actually studied the charges, suspect and evidence with any detail - the suspected witch ended up walking away a free man or woman due to massively insufficient proof. Heck, the first serious investigation into the phenomenom of witches et all was by a Spanish Inquisitor who went around for quite a while doing research and ended up with the conclusion it was so much superstition and hysteria... However, the Inquisition was anything bu a monolithic organisation and the views of its local and individual representatives naturally varied widely; there was certainly no shortage of fanatical arsonists in the ranks either.
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    Just a few points.

    1. The Spanish Inquisition was a state institution established by the Spanish monarchy and not by the Church.

    2. Witches, at least in England, were hanged. Heretics were burned.

    3. In medieval England, your chances if accused of witchcraft were quite good. An acquittal rate of 95%.

    4. Laws banning witchcraft under pain of death, predate Christianity. Indeed when converting Northern Europe, the church granted protection against charges of Witchcraft. The 5th century Synod of St. Patrick ruled that "A Christian who believes that there is a vampire in the world, that is to say, a witch, is to be anathematized; whoever lays that reputation upon a living being shall not be received into the Church".

    5. The peak in witch trials - "The Burning Times" - 1550-1650 - occurred after the Reformation, when the Church's authority had been weakened.

    6. In countries like Italy and Spain, where the Catholic Church and its Inquisition reigned virtually unquestioned, witch hunting was uncommon.
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