Pictures from Iran

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-02-2005, 12:40

I heard that in Turkey, if a woman gets raped, she has to marry the rapist. Not sure if this is better than what happens in Iran...

Hearing BS and wanting to believe them is something we are already familiar with.

Did you hear the latest news doc_bean ? We're at your door to stone you since you are a Christian. A legal committee has just been prepared for you by the approval of Tayyip Erdogan.

Yeah you seems to be very civiliced and peaceful over there... 35 000 turks converted to christanity last year and thay were not treated good at all IIRC. What do the Qur'an tell us what to do with those who convert from Islam now again

Haha, like what.. Ah yes those we hung there in Izmir.. Yeah, every morning we go to Cumhuriyet Square where their dead bodies are hung and throw them eggs, you know..

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**LeftEyeNine** · 11-02-2005, 12:54

Originally Posted by http://www.stopvaw.org/Turkey.html
Problems within the legal system are another obstacle for victims of sexual assault. Under the former Penal Code, a perpetrator could escape punishment by marrying the victim. This provision often placed high pressure on the victim to wed her rapist for the sake of family honor.

That was an exploit in the legal code which has already been changed..

But I want to ask, what does it have to do with Islam?.. I mean Stop Violence Against Women is a human rights organization isn't it ? I can't see any one-on-one connection with women exposed to violence and Islam over there. You still think the way and relate things you'd like to see them together..

Violence against women in Turkey is debatable. Yes, there is, although waning dramatically day by day. Especially in the eastern parts, that's a common issue. You know "freedom fighters" turn back to their homes with a little bit of anger..

1- What does this violence against women issues has to do with Islam ? How do you relate according to those articles ?

2- Why would I like you being a Muslim, Fragony? It's all about your mentality and way of belief which does not bother me at all. Turkey is a 70-million-populated country where we peacefully live - where those social incidents are no more or less than any other peaceful one.

3- "Come and See" is a lot better way to know about something rather than "Hear and Accuse".

It's something like I'd be reading Das Kapital with my readily prejudice. If you read something that way - no matter who you are-, you can find so much to make fun of and oppose to.

Anyway, live your belief between yourself and God - where it actually is meant to be.

**Fragony** · 11-02-2005, 12:56

Amnesty international doesn't seem to think it is bullshit Lefteyenine, and I rather believe Amnesty International then a country that still denies the mass murder of millions of christians in Armenia. What was it, an act of betrayal just bringing it up? I chose to believe it if you don't mind, given turkey's history and numerous muslim attacks all over the world I have little reason not to...

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-02-2005, 13:10

Fragony

Get a history book.. Try to find my topic about Armenian Issue.. LEarn something new and unbiased..

Armenians were Armenians - not Christians. Ottoman Empire was a Muslim empire from the start. Strange that they noticed Armenians being Christians and decideed to massacre them in 1914. You believe what you want to believe..

Armenian Issue was an act of revenge. Before their relocation dictated by the Ottoman governemnt, the Tasnak Sutyan and other Armenian gangs have killed 514.000 Turks in Van, Erzurum and other surrounding places. And as soon as they were forced to move to Syria, they were murdered on their way.

You see that's a two-sided act where the firestarters are the Armenians.

One Turkish survivor of Armenian massacre against Turks start with these words : "They were good neighbors, kind people.." They were called Millet-i Sukun (Silent Nation) in general by Ottomans.

And you still come up with Armenian Genocide stuff in a topic about Shariia order (which I don't approve at all) ? What's next, you get the flu and blame us for that the curse of Armenians killed ?

**Fragony** · 11-02-2005, 13:18

Get a history book..

I just learned where not to look for one.....

Armenian Issue was an act of revenge.

Just scratching the surface proves once again adequate. We have a long way to go my friend...

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-02-2005, 13:34

doc_bean,

I'm against Turkey joining the EU. I don't like the way we have to prove out. Whatever it's the topic of another one.

Turkey is at least the best available example of already enlightened ISlam. I can never say Turkey is a country of welfare at all terms. We have a lot to do but this does give no one to draw the efforts into mud or interrupt with our internal mechanism (that was for some politicians)

Fragony

Yes, I bet you just learned that not everything Armeanians say is true.

Ok, i'm saying it was an act of revenge and blamed being primitive. Which galaxy is that are you living in where there are no wars, battles, no revenge, murders no blood ever spilled in any way ?

Then I would be called modern to admit a lie and say it was a Genocide ? I can't pick a point to start with you. Tell me you hate my sig, and the big picture is complete.

**Leet Eriksson** · 11-02-2005, 14:14

Take it from me Lefteyenine. Don't bother arguing.

Can you take anyone seriously when some of them believe in these nutjobs?

http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

**Fragony** · 11-02-2005, 14:19

Yes, I bet you just learned that not everything Armeanians say is true.

Ya, she told me she loved me.

Ok, i'm saying it was an act of revenge and blamed being primitive. Which galaxy is that are you living in where there are no wars, battles, no revenge, murders no blood ever spilled in any way ?

The one I am living in now, and I quite enjoy doing so. It is a shame that a certain religion doesn't really like peace and cannot wait to cut of my head because I don't believe in fairytales. Today, exactly 1 year ago one of us (van Gogh)got butchered because of the sick perverted thing that is Islam, we were doing fine untill then. Now that we know what we are dealing with, no more love.

Then I would be called modern to admit a lie and say it was a Genocide ? I can't pick a point to start with you. Tell me you hate my sig, and the big picture is complete.

I don't hate you, if you were ever to visit the Netherlands I wouldn't hesitate to invite you into my house. But that is the thing we small men can do, we don't have to deal with the bigger picture. Look at the bright side, most (and most means a lot) wouldn't take the time to have this conversation. I am not trying to not hurt your feelings, that is what hypocrites do.

**Leet Eriksson** · 11-02-2005, 14:31

Hey lets blame islam becuase a muslim killed a dutch guy who called us all goat****ers.

Sorry for your loss fragony, Pim Fortuyn wasn't killed by a muslim btw.

EDIT: oh sorry i forgot the boards rules.

**Ser Clegane** · 11-02-2005, 14:41

Originally Posted by Fragony

It is a shame that a certain religion doesn't really like peace and cannot wait to cut of my head because I don't believe in fairytales.

Funny ... when I spent a week in Dubai in September, the people there seemed quite peaceful and nobody attempted to cut off my head.

Perhaps it is that some people abuse Islam (or religion in general) instead of the other way around.

The broad brush some people here are using is exactly the same one that the extremists who claim to represent the Muslim world are using when they demonize the West.

Good job.

**doc_bean** · 11-02-2005, 13:15

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Did you hear the latest news doc_bean ? We're at your door to stone you since you are a Christian. A legal committee has just been prepared for you by the approval of Tayyip Erdogan.

Let's face it, what I heard wasn't far from the truth, although things are changing (which i also mentioned).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Turkey joining the EU in the way that Fragony is, I just don't think the country is ready yet. And i hate it how the politicians keep rushing these things, it won't help anyone.

Turkey isn't the perfect example of enlightened Islam, there are a lot of archaic laws and customs still in place. And let's not forget that the Turkish military also has (had?) the duty to protect the country from itself, or at least from its most fundamentalist citizens.