Perfect 16 unit English army

**King Kurt** · 11-02-2005, 12:55

I have reached the stage in my current English campaign where I rule every where except Hungary and the Papal States. To provide an challenge I have decided to pull together a single stack army to conquer Hungary.
My inclination for the super stack is as follows 1xRks (my 9 star general), 2x ChKnts, 2 x Mtd Sgts, 1 x HA/LC of some sort, 4 x Longbow, 4 x Bill, 2 x CMAA. I intend to have a seige army - artillery and infantry - following to seige/ assalt any remnants holed up in castles.
What do people think of my mix - any suggestions??

**Vladimir** · 11-02-2005, 14:21

8 billmen, 8 longbows?

**Grey_Fox** · 11-02-2005, 14:29

Why are you going to use Mounted Sergeants? They have no speed advantage over Chivalric Knights and are significantly inferior in melee.

I'd use 1 RK general (since the royal units generally provide the best generals), 4 Chivalric Knights, two Alan Mercenary cavalry (if you can find them - two Jinetes if you can't), two Pavise Arbalaster/Pavise Crossbows, two Longbows, and five Chivalric Men-At-Arms.

**Vladimir** · 11-02-2005, 15:37

What, no spears?

**Knight Templar** · 11-02-2005, 15:52

Whartever spears can do, billmen can do it better.

I would use 1 RK as general, 3 longbowmen, 1 pavise arbalester, 4 CMAA, 3 billmen and 4 CK

**Eternal Champion** · 11-02-2005, 16:35

I'd either use the best troops you've got or if you are looking for a challenge use the worst you've got. Either way the game is really over.

**Budwise** · 11-03-2005, 10:47

Originally Posted by Vladimir

What, no spears?

Don't need them. I never use spears when I have Billmen. IMO they own any spear unit in a fight plus against most armies, you have to worry more about armored units than no armored units.

**Ciaran** · 11-04-2005, 12:41

Originally Posted by Budwise

Don't need them. I never use spears when I have Billmen. IMO they own any spear unit in a fight plus against most armies, you have to worry more about armored units than no armored units.

Right, they´re slightly worse when it comes to receiving a cavalry charge, but apart from that they can do all that spears can do and then something, due to their armor-piercing attack. So, strictly speaking, from High era on, spears are obsolete, swords dito, because polearms - and billmen especially, can do their job, too.