Perfect 16 unit English army

[Vladimir]

8 billmen, 8 longbows?

[Grey_Fox]

Why are you going to use Mounted Sergeants? They have no speed advantage over Chivalric Knights and are significantly inferior in melee.

I'd use 1 RK general (since the royal units generally provide the best generals), 4 Chivalric Knights, two Alan Mercenary cavalry (if you can find them - two Jinetes if you can't), two Pavise Arbalaster/Pavise Crossbows, two Longbows, and five Chivalric Men-At-Arms.

[Vladimir]

What, no spears?

[Knight Templar]

Whartever spears can do, billmen can do it better.

I would use 1 RK as general, 3 longbowmen, 1 pavise arbalester, 4 CMAA, 3 billmen and 4 CK

[Eternal Champion]

I'd either use the best troops you've got or if you are looking for a challenge use the worst you've got. Either way the game is really over.

[BAD]

1 Peasant and 15 Ballista's! xD

[King Kurt]

Thanks for your thoughts. I want to keep an English feel - hence the longbow/ bill mix and I went for the Mtd sargents for pursing routers/ driving off HA/LC etc. The point re speed etc is well made, so I will use Jinettes instead. The question now is the last unit - 1 more ChKnt or 1 more CMAA or a merc HA. I will ponder and let you know tomorrow. The challenge is to see if the one stack can take down the whole faction. I am probably stronger unit for unit, but overall outnumbered.

[asilv]

1 Peasant and 15 Ballista's! xD

Rebel AIs idea of perfect army.

[Budwise]

What, no spears?

Don't need them. I never use spears when I have Billmen. IMO they own any spear unit in a fight plus against most armies, you have to worry more about armored units than no armored units.

[Ciaran]

Don't need them. I never use spears when I have Billmen. IMO they own any spear unit in a fight plus against most armies, you have to worry more about armored units than no armored units.

Right, they´re slightly worse when it comes to receiving a cavalry charge, but apart from that they can do all that spears can do and then something, due to their armor-piercing attack. So, strictly speaking, from High era on, spears are obsolete, swords dito, because polearms - and billmen especially, can do their job, too.

[m52nickerson]

So, strictly speaking, from High era on, spears are obsolete, swords dito, because polearms - and billmen especially, can do their job, too.

I disagree about the swords. Lets look at the stats.

Billmen
Charge 2 Attack 2 Defence 4 Armour 3 Morale 2

vs.

Chivalric men at arms.
Charge 3 Attack 4 Defence 3 Armour 4 Morale 4

Cmaa have a higher (or equal) attack even if you add in the armour piercing bonus.
Facing armor of 3-4 Billmen only get a +1. Armour 5-6 +2.

So against any units with lower then 5 armour CMAAs will still do better, plus they have a higher morale, and still get a bounus vs spears.

Polearms are best left to Cav and HIGHLY armored units.

[Yoyoma1910]

Ah yez... zee moo-ton ea-ting Brit-eesh.

I have sought about zis very sing four many, many contemplative nights. ()

Here iz what I sink you should doo. Wit az close an emoticon az zey have here fer ze sub-jyct...





14 Sherwood foresters.
1 Single unit knight, left over from a crusade, who will act as your "general."
1 Unit of highly poor and oppressed peasants, that the enemy simply cannot help but attack.



You might also consider droping a priest in the province along with the troop for good measure... only think of him as more of a Friar (mmm fried chicken legs), whatever that is.


See what happens, and then maybe write a story about it that people will read for years. Maybe even make a film starring some dreamy actor who is in the process of balding .








Or not.