Perfect 16 unit English army

**antisocialmunky** · 11-03-2005, 02:03

1-2 pavs so your L-Bows survive missile duels.

**ajaxfetish** · 11-03-2005, 03:54

My favorite English army makeup is 1 Royal Knight General, 3 Chivalric Knights, 6 Billmen, 6 Longbows. I have two wings hinged at the middle, each with three units of bills and 3 of bows backed up by the cavalry. Love the kill ratios I get with those guys.

Ajax

**m52nickerson** · 11-03-2005, 06:05

4 Billmen
2 Pav Arbs
3 cmaa
2 longbow
1 gallowglass or highlands
3 chivalric knights
then the generals unit.

**Kekvit Irae** · 11-03-2005, 06:12

Gallowglasses are far superior to Highland Clansmen.
Gallowglasses get 8 for charge bonus, Highlanders get 6.
Gallowglasses get no defense bonus, Highlanders get a -3 penalty.
Gallowglasses get 2 armor, Highlanders get only 1.

This, I guess, is offset by the fact that Highlanders can be built by any Catholic factions with just the first castle (fort, I believe), whereas Gallowglasses require the faction to be English and requires a swordsmith.

**m52nickerson** · 11-03-2005, 06:32

Originally Posted by kekvitirae

This, I guess, is offset by the fact that Highlanders can be built by any Catholic factions with just the first castle (fort, I believe), whereas Gallowglasses require the faction to be English and requires a swordsmith.

Gallowglasses can be build by anyone as well. I have Polish Glowglasses all the time. Highlanders are cheaper to build, plus they are faster then Glowglasses. It makes then better ambush units. If they get discovered and killed they are cheaper to replace.

**Kekvit Irae** · 11-03-2005, 06:34

Bah, I misread the file. It seems as if the English get a valor bonus for Gallowglasses, however.

**m52nickerson** · 11-03-2005, 07:39

Originally Posted by kekvitirae

Bah, I misread the file. It seems as if the English get a valor bonus for Gallowglasses, however.

Really? I know that Gallowglasses come with a one valor because you produce them in Ireland, but its not just for the English.

**Ironside** · 11-03-2005, 08:47

Originally Posted by kekvitirae

Bah, I misread the file. It seems as if the English get a valor bonus for Gallowglasses, however.

That's discount, not valour bonus

Originally Posted by Knight Templar

Whartever spears can do, billmen can do it better.

They can't stand arrowr fire as good as CS

. Very important if you face a large Golden Horde army. But generally you're correct.

**BAD** · 11-03-2005, 12:11

Nice going Kurt.

Originally Posted by kekvitirae

Gallowglasses are far superior to Highland Clansmen.
Gallowglasses get 8 for charge bonus, Highlanders get 6.
Gallowglasses get no defense bonus, Highlanders get a -3 penalty.
Gallowglasses get 2 armor, Highlanders get only 1.

This, I guess, is offset by the fact that Highlanders can be built by any Catholic factions with just the first castle (fort, I believe), whereas Gallowglasses require the faction to be English and requires a swordsmith.

IIRC Gallowglasses have an Armour Piercing attack too.

**antisocialmunky** · 11-03-2005, 13:19

If you can get Gallowglasses to stay in battle, I've seen their effectiveness up there with JHI and GK. Though... they need to have atleast +3v to keep on the fight meaning they get +3/+3 to A/D with the +6 morale.

**King Kurt** · 11-03-2005, 14:45

In my English campaign, I have been producing gallowglasses ever since I could. i particuarly like the speed of them and have found them useful against eastern armies who need a bit of pinning down. Their morale and fighting ability means they can operate indepentantly and I have used them for clearing woods etc. In hindsight, perhaps I should have popped a couple in the perfect stack, but I was looking for a more traditional feel to the army - but out east and in the desert - wouldn't be without them.