Canada's last working sub?

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1130810260038
Canada only has one working sub? What the hell does their Army consist of? A hockey team dressed in camo? I didn't realise that the Canadian military was this unfunded. Where are all those tax dollars going too?

[TinCow]

Probably towards making it such a nice place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4306936.stm

[yesdachi]

[url]Where are all those tax dollars going too?

National health care

[Byzantine Prince]

I didn't realise that the Canadian military was this unfunded. Where are all those tax dollars going too?

Being better then you. Why do we even need a military? War is so boring now a days. I'de rather play counter strike. *yawn*

[Reverend Joe]

Canada actually has one of the best trained armies in the world. If we were to match them man for man in a wargame of some sort, they would easily whip our asses. They just have no reason to go to war- who wants to invade a deep freeze? You would get more out of invading Siberia.

[Mongoose]

What happens if there is a war?

Being better then you.

Eh? in what way?

who wants to invade a deep freeze?

Well, what if there was a WW3? Not all defensive wars are fought in the country it self.

[CBR]

What does problems with their subs have to do with the army?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Armed_Forces


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[TinCow]

Well, what if there was a WW3? Not all defensive wars are fought in the country it self.

For a conventional war, Canada could easily gear up into war production and they could provide a significant force within a short time frame. For nuclear war, they have NORAD.

Do not confuse a lack of a large standing army with a lack of ability to fight. Canada simply doesn't need a large standing military force since they do not engage in the kind of regular activities that we do. In the event of a prolonged conflict, their physical location and their military alliance with the US provides ample time for them to convert to a war footing.

[Devastatin Dave]

Being better then you.

How many times a day do you have to tell yourself in order to actually believe that?

[The Stranger]

did you really had to do that devdav

[master of the puppets]

did you really had to do that devdav

well one must not try to hide the truth
btw USA ROCKS

[The Stranger]

naah it sucks ~:p

[Devastatin Dave]

did you really had to do that devdav

Yes, i just can't control myself!!!

[el_slapper]

Canada does not need a standing army - but it would use a good navy, to control those endless oceans, especially as Ice protecting them is going to melt.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Canada actually has one of the best trained armies in the world. If we were to match them man for man in a wargame of some sort, they would easily whip our asses. They just have no reason to go to war- who wants to invade a deep freeze?

Maybe in a game they could beat us but not in actual battle.Remeber most US troops are now battle hardened veterans. Canada couldnt even take on our Marines and stand a chance in a conventional war.

For a conventional war, Canada could easily gear up into war production and they could provide a significant force within a short time frame

This is assuming it is a long and drawn out war. If someone were to invade Canada today they would be in deep doo doo. The reason they dont need subs or a large standing army is they have us. Same for most of Europe.

[The Stranger]

...America could be easily beaten by a united europe

[The Stranger]

under my command i'm a military genius first class, Clayton Ballantine style

[TinCow]

This is assuming it is a long and drawn out war. If someone were to invade Canada today they would be in deep doo doo. The reason they dont need subs or a large standing army is they have us. Same for most of Europe.

That's the thing though, they wouldn't be in trouble because of the US alliance. This isn't a case of them leeching off of us. Canada was a major partner in Cold War operations and it is essential to US security. They have a tiny population in comparison to ours and couldn't field anywhere near our force even if they wanted to. Why should they be spending extra money on defense when their current contributions to North American defense as a whole are more than sufficient?

Having military just for the sake of having military is a waste of money. They have a very well developed air defense system tied into NORAD and no nation is capable of invading them via naval methods without going through us first. You might as well be asking why we haven't built fall-back defensive trenches in Kansas.

[master of the puppets]

mabey stranger but how likely is that, if there is gonna be a world war it won't be all of europe against the US, it will be more divided and a throwing in of lots, all in all if theres a world war then any outcome is doubtful.

oh and just so you know if there is one i will make sure your country becomes a smoldering crator.

[The Stranger]

ah i dont lead a country i lead a army of 20000 8 gold chevron peasants eager to rip you apart and burn you city to ashes

[yesdachi]

Maybe in a game they could beat us but not in actual battle.Remeber most US troops are now battle hardened veterans. Canada couldnt even take on our Marines and stand a chance in a conventional war.

I saw this coming.

This is assuming it is a long and drawn out war. If someone were to invade Canada today they would be in deep doo doo. The reason they dont need subs or a large standing army is they have us. Same for most of Europe.

I think this is true. Not that anyone would want to mess with Canada but if they did the US would beat the crap out of them, same goes for our friends in Europe. Say what you want about the US being a nosy, world policing bully, it is not that bad if your friends with the bully, especially when the bully occupies your entire southern boarder.

[BDC]

What happened to all the broken ones we sold you?

[Devastatin Dave]

My problem with this story is that its disgraceful to have your sailors on a malfunctioning sub when its your ONLY working sub. I would think there would be more of an outrage but appearantly not since from the replies to my post show an extreme dislike for the troops of their nation. Those men and women manning the sub are Canadian citizens and deserve better.

[CBR]

This is assuming it is a long and drawn out war. If someone were to invade Canada today they would be in deep doo doo. The reason they dont need subs or a large standing army is they have us. Same for most of Europe.

Well lets just assume a neutral USA and then please show me what nation has the amphibious capability to successfully invade Canada?


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[CBR]

My problem with this story is that its disgraceful to have your sailors on a malfunctioning sub when its your ONLY working sub. I would think there would be more of an outrage but appearantly not since from the replies to my post show an extreme dislike for the troops of their nation. Those men and women manning the sub are Canadian citizens and deserve better.

The 4 used subs they bought from UK has more or less been a waste of money as they have had lots of problems with them from day one. But I guess the Brits were happy to get rid of them


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[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well lets just assume a neutral USA and then please show me what nation has the amphibious capability to successfully invade Canada?

Give China a few years if their not that powerful yet.

...America could be easily beaten by a united europe

Another for my collection of the most ridiculous statements to appear at the org. I doubt you could beat us but even if you could it certainly would not be EASY.

[Sjakihata]

Wohoo! Denmark has twice as many subs as Canada!

[CBR]

Give China a few years if their not that powerful yet.

China cant today nor in the near future so, apart from a future (20+ years) hypothetical threat from China, Canada is pretty safe today.


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[Gawain of Orkeny]

China cant today nor in the near future so, apart from a future (20+ years) hypothetical threat from China, Canada is pretty safe today.

If the US and the rest of the world just stood by I have no doubt that China could succesfully invade Canada tommorow.

[CBR]

Wohoo! Denmark has twice as many subs as Canada!

No we dont have subs anymore. The last two were taken out of service one year ago.


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