Riots in France?

[Adrian II]

Right now, these cities aren't part of France.

That is what some Conservative Americans here said about New Orleans. Same attitude, same blindness to the truth. Of course places like Clichy are a part of your nation, culture and political make-up; they do not just grow on you overnight. The least you can say is that the rest of France -- the real France as you put it -- helped create them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Come off it Adrian, you consistently posit this line of excrement that suggests that people should not be held responsible for their own actions. You repeatedly suggest that society is responsible for the antecedent conditions creating such incidents and imply that society therefore should just put up with them. This is errant nonsense.

France no more forced these disgruntled immigrants to riot than did the New Orleans PD force people to loot. The individuals involved chose to vent their anger in an illegal and violent fashion. They should take the appropriate punishment. If you are going to "go to the barricades" than you had best be prepared to accept the live fire coming back across them from the ruling authority -- that's how rioting and revolution is played.

Perhaps if humans were capable of communism like ants we wouldn't have any inequity or iniquity and we'd all live is some little socialist utopia. Since that's about as likely as Python's ervine aviation scheme, you could better spend your time thinking of some practical responses such as: limiting immigration, reducing taxes to creat jobs and grow the economy and maybe a little private gun ownership and training to enhance personal safety (that last is just for you Caeser 10).

[Adrian II]

Come off it Adrian, you consistently posit this line of excrement that suggests that people should not be held responsible for their own actions.

Find yourself another strawman.

[Meneldil]

That is what some Conservative Americans here said about New Orleans. Same attitude, same blindness to the truth. Of course places like Clichy are a part of your nation, culture and political make-up; they do not just grow on you overnight. The least you can say is that the rest of France -- the real France as you put it -- helped create them.

Adrian, do not misunderstand me. We (the French) are partly responsible for that situation. By housing all immigrants in a same place, my ancestors seriously screwed things up. But then, some people from these cities achieved to find a job, to get out of here, to found a familly, to create companies...How do you explain that ? If the wished to, they could get a real life. They just don't care about that. They spend their time doing nothing, or burning cars, attacking innocents, throwing stones at firemen and so on and live thanks to drug dealing and to our social system. Period. They are also responsible for their situation (and right now, they are probably more responsible than the average frenchman).

When I said this places were out of France, I meant that French laws aren't used here. They have their own laws, based on 'Honor', 'Respect' (as long as raping a girl is considered honorable), their own language and other nonsense like that. Policemen and Firemen are sometimes powerless.

[Adrian II]

Adrian, do not misunderstand me. We (the French) are partly responsible for that situation. By housing all immigrants in a same place, my ancestors seriously screwed things up.

Right, I believe some Communist mayors even contributed to that in order to 'create' a new, socially isolated and economically bereft electorate for themselves. Until French public opinion turned against migrants in the early eighties and began to vote for Le Pen. And those same Communist mayors began bulldozering those same migrant quarters to make place for 'honest' French workers... So do not misunderstand me either, it takes all sorts of idiots to create situations like that. For instance by 'giving up' on those gettos that are in the public eye right now, the French state compounded the problems of many honest migrants.

They have their own laws, based on 'Honor', 'Respect' (as long as raping a girl is considered honorable) and other nonsense like that.

I also believe there is a protest movement against such customs, led by women and youths from those same quarters. Ni pute, ni soumise, no?

Surely they are French in your book?

[Meneldil]

Well, if you ask me, my previous post (the one that could have been written by PJ, Kapo or any american fascist wannabe) sounds disgusting, even for me. I'm the first one to make fun of the people who make this kind of statement, but now, things are going too far.
I wouldn't say I'm not racist, because I think that right now, the Western culture is superior to other cultures. But this is not racism. (Most of) The people in these cities are just savages that deserve to be killed on sight. Whites included. Period. They have no values beside their own utterly limited, barbarian screwed up way of thinking.

Sure, we should do our best in order to help integration, to not build new ghetto cities. But we can't do anything realistic for the current ones, except destroying them, and getting ride of the people who're living here. There's no way they could integrate into the french society, get a job and have a decent life, respectful of their fellow countrymates.

For instance by 'giving up' on those gettos that are in the public eye right now, the French state compounded the problems of many honest migrants.

Agreed.

I have had bowel movements that had more substance than this rubbish you posted Adrian. Unbelievable....

Are you speaking about that

Awesome!!!

Great!!!

Yes...

Not too much of a shock. Of course the Brits as well as the rest of Europe better find Allah soon or they'll get converted the hard way once the demographics change it to EurArabia...

I can't find the substance in your last couple of replies ?

[Adrian II]

But this is not racism. (Most of) The people in these cities are just savages that deserve to be killed on sight. Whites included. Period.

It is not racism, I have to hand you that. But your solution does not sound appropriate. Or adequate for that matter. After decades of neglect and ignored warnings, we are now seeing the sort of conflagrations in Clichy that we have seen in British inner cities. If you withdraw the rule of law from a vulnerable, socially weak community, violent people and primitive solutions are bound to prevail, as they do in all no-go areas of the world.

Like I said, movements like Ni pute, ni soumise also originate in these communities, and there must be more like-minded movements and positive developments that could be the starting points in a drive for real change. Provided there is a real effort. Shoot-to-kill policies such as you advocate will only make the situation worse and prolong the troubles.

Unless, of course, you favour an all-out, SS-type operation that destroys entire blocks or neighbourhoods. In which case you might as well send your warmest regards to Mr Bin Laden.

[Devastatin Dave]

That is what some Conservative Americans here said about New Orleans. Same attitude, same blindness to the truth. Of course places like Clichy are a part of your nation, culture and political make-up; they do not just grow on you overnight. The least you can say is that the rest of France -- the real France as you put it -- helped create them.

I have had bowel movements that had more substance than this rubbish you posted Adrian. Unbelievable....

[Adrian II]

I have had bowel movements that had more substance than this rubbish you posted Adrian. Unbelievable....

Can we stop the anal references in this thread?

Look, New Orleans was a special place, and generations of Americans loved and appreciated, admired and coveted it precisely for the vices which you and other Conservatives on this forum excoriated recently, in the wake of Katrina, as being the cause of all New Orleans' ills. Generations of Americans have visited, brought (or lost) their money to New Orleans, and helped foster this loose culture that you now deplore. I remember very well the words of author Richard Ford after Katrina hit that town. 'It is - New Orleans is - a city foremost for special projections, for the things you can't do, see, think, consume, feel, forget up in Jackson or Little Rock or home in Topeka.'

New Orleans was part of America precisely because it was not.

Go on, deny it. I don't care.

[Devastatin Dave]

Can we stop the anal references in this thread?

I'll stop when you stop posting your masterbation material (Abu Grad pics). Deal?

[Geoffrey S]

Edit: not the right place.

[Redleg]

Lets see a thread about France and my honest question about the news report I saw on CNN for a brief second.

Lets see el_slapper and Meneldil give what seems an honest personal opinion on the story - and someone who is not french decides to argue using New Orleans as a comparision.


Talking about the wrong approach - especially since this thread was not about New Orleans and the United States - but the riots in France,

Oh well it seems that some people just can not leave the United States out of a discussion - even when its not about the United States.

Oh well I got at least two honest answers in the thread before it degenerated into something else.

[Geoffrey S]

Thinking about it, agreed. Removed my off-topic post.

[Adrian II]

Oh well I got at least two honest answers in the thread before it degenerated into something else.

You're nothing but a pop-up in your own thread. Live with it.

[Redleg]

You're nothing but a pop-up in your own thread. Live with it.

Whats wrong Adrian you don't like being called on using a strawman approach.

By the way you need to wave your ass in your own direction since your making one of yourself.