Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
I'm not saying that as a cheap talking point. If you think that the only and best way to protect Americans is to abase ourselves by torturing people, I genuinely find you either a coward or totally naive.

This thread disgusts me. The revolution didn't happen so we could do crap like this.
Respect, man. I know several more Americans like you in real life (and I know there are many more out there) who agree and who find this whole thing deeply un-American in the sense you just described. That is why I trust that these practices will sooner or later be stopped or corrected by democratic means, as they always have in American history. But they will not stop spontaneously. Middle America will have to put its weight behind the effort.