Forcing the natives to convert

**Procrustes** · 11-07-2005, 16:02

Originally Posted by Patron

What I want to know is, whether putting 2 or more bishops in a province has any effect over just 1 bishop. I noticed that with spies, no matter how many spies you put in the province it seems they only do more good if you put a higher levle spy in with them.

Yes, the more religious agents you send the faster they province will convert. Spies used to work that way, but it was taken out during one of the patches because it proved to be an easy way to game the AI - you could swarm them with spies and cause mass rebellions. Now only the highest valor spy you send has any effect.

**lilljonas** · 11-08-2005, 02:39

However, again, to a certain degree: my twelve priests converted Sicily faster than my five priests converted Sardinia, but it still took the 30-something priests a long tome to convert Wales. Diminishing returns, indeed.

**Grond** · 11-08-2005, 03:24

At the point where it's 85% or higher, I leave a cardinal in place to continue the good works, and move the rest of the holy wrecking crew on to new, less tolerant hallows of evildoers (like that nest of heretics in Finland). I don't need 100% conversion, just something close to it.

I don't recall how the level of faith and the level of fanaticism affect happiness in general; can someone more knowledgable than I supply a brief synopsis?

**m52nickerson** · 11-08-2005, 05:26

The higher the faith in your factions religion the less likely revolt. Zeal can make revolt more likely if you get excommunicated. So it is best to have lower zeal so if something happens, like getting Xed or your King picks up a bad vice the people are less likely to do something about it.

**Grond** · 11-08-2005, 20:26

Originally Posted by m52nickerson

The higher the faith in your factions religion the less likely revolt. Zeal can make revolt more likely if you get excommunicated. So it is best to have lower zeal so if something happens, like getting Xed or your King picks up a bad vice the people are less likely to do something about it.

Is there ever a reason to have a high zeal? It seems like you want it for other factions, so your crusades can come by and pluck their best people, but other than excommunication/bad king vice, it doesn't strike me as being useful for anything.

**Ludens** · 11-08-2005, 20:33

Originally Posted by Grond

Is there ever a reason to have a high zeal? It seems like you want it for other factions, so your crusades can come by and pluck their best people, but other than excommunication/bad king vice, it doesn't strike me as being useful for anything.

It is usefull for Muslims (helps Jihads and it slows Christian expansion down due to low loyalty) and in foreign territories if you are Catholic (fascilitates crusades and inquisitions and it can really wreck the HRE if they are excommunicated again).

**Grond** · 11-08-2005, 21:27

Originally Posted by Ludens

It is usefull for Muslims (helps Jihads and it slows Christian expansion down due to low loyalty) and in foreign territories if you are Catholic (fascilitates crusades and inquisitions and it can really wreck the HRE if they are excommunicated again).

So, perhaps sending an inquisitor in to do an inquisition where he drops the zeal to 20-30 through constant application would be a good idea? Is there any reason NOT to do this to one of your own provinces?