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backroom users looked to have behaved themselved when i posted this thread so now here's something from the other side.
i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake. i'm hoping that you guys are mature enough to handle it. if i'm wrong then at least we all know where the line is drawn on this subject.
please think before downloading this video, it shows no blood but is graphic. 24 mb, 15 min.
/edit: link removed. show's over, folks. someone has a problem with this.
i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake. i'm hoping that you guys are mature enough to handle it. if i'm wrong then at least we all know where the line is drawn on this subject.
please think before downloading this video, it shows no blood but is graphic. 24 mb, 15 min.
/edit: link removed. show's over, folks. someone has a problem with this.
From the opening few shots he seems to be a pretty good shot.
It has a good soundtrack.
There was one that had the crosshairs on it, what was that?
There was also one where this soldier get's shot and there are kids everywhere and another soldier bhind him who does nothing, isn't even bothering to hurry his footsteps.
There was one that had the crosshairs on it, what was that?
There was also one where this soldier get's shot and there are kids everywhere and another soldier bhind him who does nothing, isn't even bothering to hurry his footsteps.
Originally Posted by :
i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake.
Why did you post it?i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake.
What a waste of American lives. Very sad.
I can't download the video, something about shared ip adress or whatnot, can someone send it via email if they can bother?
Just propaganda. The sniper is in fact several snipers from what I have heard. In the end he claims to be responsible for killing around 200 western troops which I highly doubt. That would be around 10% of all the coulition deaths. I think that in many cases the troops only are lightly wounded due to their bodyarmour. Some cases though seems more serious.
Originally Posted by faisal:
I can't download the video, something about shared ip adress or whatnot, can someone send it via email if they can bother?
I can, just PM me your email address.I can't download the video, something about shared ip adress or whatnot, can someone send it via email if they can bother?
Originally Posted by solypsist:
the video was scrutinized on another forum and so far the consensus is that most are all limb or nonlethal shots.
I´m not an expert but some of the later shots in the video look pretty deadly to me.the video was scrutinized on another forum and so far the consensus is that most are all limb or nonlethal shots.
And concerning this being a promotional video, I´d say it works only for very few people on earth, at least I really hope so.
Originally Posted by solypsist:
(..) i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake.
I hope you are not shooting yourself in the foot, pun intended. This looks to me like an islamist propaganda video, pure and unadulterated. In principle one should not post such links without any further qualification, just like any link to racist websites.(..) i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake.
The vid reminds me of some of the footage I have seen from Chechnyan and Kashmiri islamist propaganda videos. Same style, same content, only the language is different.
We will need the help of our Arab-speaking members to translate the voice-over, the logo and several other titles shown in Arabic.
Some of the footage seems fake - the death of occupation soldiers is only suggested, or the responsibility of the sniper is suggested in cases where the cause of death could be entirely different.
So you considered the video for a long time. Do you know anything about the producers, the retailers, the site that first made it available? I always want to know what channels these people use to spread their propaganda. I do not doubt your honest intention, Solypsist, but it would be good if we worked this out together with Arab-speakers in the forum.
I didnt see the vid. But if this is about "juba the sniper" it is flase.
Originally Posted by ceasar010:
I didnt see the vid. But if this is about "juba the sniper" it is flase.
Apparently it is about Juba the sniper, a mythic hero of Baghdad insurgents, or at least that is what the recurrent caption says. He is supposed to use a Tobuk sniper rifle (an Iraqi rifle based on the Kalashnikov and fitted with a long barrel and muzzle brake, using 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridges). He fires from rooftops overlooking supply routes, and despite his reputation he apparently does fire twice in one of the clips.I didnt see the vid. But if this is about "juba the sniper" it is flase.
What Sura is the muezzin singing in the beginning? What are the (repeated) songs about? Is the claim of 208 victims only for 1426 (the year 2005-06 in the islamic calendar)? BTW he does not claim 208 dead, the number given at the vid's end seems to be a total of 'incidents'. Including misses, obviously. And some apparent 'hits' could be the result of clever editing and nothing else.
More stuff about Juba
EDIT
Hang on. If these images are real, 'our sniper' does not fire from rooftops at all, does he?
SECOND EDIT
This footage seems to be part of a concerted campaign to raise or train more insurgent snipers. There are training manuals circulating and the insurgents have set up their first interactive website for the purpose. American troops have been handed a document with information about these new tactics:
The document contains information from pro-insurgency Web sites, translated by Pentagon analysts, that instructs would-be snipers to target U.S. and coalition military commanders, officers and pilots because replacing them "may take two to four years and cost more than $500,000 to put someone through the famous West Point."
Snipers are also directed to target U.S. special forces because, according to the site, "they are very stupid because they have a Rambo complex, thinking that they are the best in the world. Don't be arrogant like them."
Snipers are also directed to target U.S. special forces because, according to the site, "they are very stupid because they have a Rambo complex, thinking that they are the best in the world. Don't be arrogant like them."
Here is one part of the training manual in .pdf form. Can anyone tell if this manual is any good, militarywise?
Well, he's seems to be almost as good as Legolas 
Hey Adrian, I tried sending faisal that video for over an hour now, but it seems all those email providers can´t handle the 26MB size.
Now I come back and see you already found out most of it.
Well, I want to give some more thoughts about it.
First you seem to be right, the videos are pretty clearly made from a lying position somewhere on the ground, looks like he is lower than his victims.
Concerning the two shots in one case, maybe he was aiming the second shot at one of the soldiers who tried to help his first target(I still hope the poor guy survived). Now concerning his "success", he hit one guy just somewhere at the lower leg(looked pretty harmless), another soldier held his stomach but didn´t seem to have much problems to take that hit, while another one was hit similar and looked pretty dead afterwards. Yet another one is thrown backwards by the bullet(the one where he shoots twice I think).
I have never fired any weapon myself, but I wonder if the same gun can have so many different results. Despite that, I think making a "commercial" with the death of people is even more sick than fighting the american soldiers in itself.
Now I come back and see you already found out most of it.
Well, I want to give some more thoughts about it.
First you seem to be right, the videos are pretty clearly made from a lying position somewhere on the ground, looks like he is lower than his victims.
Concerning the two shots in one case, maybe he was aiming the second shot at one of the soldiers who tried to help his first target(I still hope the poor guy survived). Now concerning his "success", he hit one guy just somewhere at the lower leg(looked pretty harmless), another soldier held his stomach but didn´t seem to have much problems to take that hit, while another one was hit similar and looked pretty dead afterwards. Yet another one is thrown backwards by the bullet(the one where he shoots twice I think).
I have never fired any weapon myself, but I wonder if the same gun can have so many different results. Despite that, I think making a "commercial" with the death of people is even more sick than fighting the american soldiers in itself.
Juba claims to have killed TWO marine scout snipers in one day. I don't believe that one bit.
Hmmm Never heard of a tobuk, Hopefully one of our guys pops ol' juba a few times with a barret.
I think so. When I go deer hunting even if you hit them good they still run pretty far. Some times they don't go far at all.
Hmmm Never heard of a tobuk, Hopefully one of our guys pops ol' juba a few times with a barret.
Originally Posted by :
have never fired any weapon myself, but I wonder if the same gun can have so many different results
have never fired any weapon myself, but I wonder if the same gun can have so many different results
I think so. When I go deer hunting even if you hit them good they still run pretty far. Some times they don't go far at all.
Originally Posted by AdrianII:
Here is one part of the training manual in .pdf form. Can anyone tell if this manual is any good, militarywise?
Was it only consisting of 7 pages with questions about who to shoot?Here is one part of the training manual in .pdf form. Can anyone tell if this manual is any good, militarywise?
Simple manual - not very good quality - simple tactics which probably what it was designed for in the first place.
Im not going to watch the video, but do we have any credible reason to think this is anything more than propaganda? I have yet to see any respectable sources anywhere and from what I have read, it seems like unsubstantiated BS.
What we have in the video is likely a compilation of different sniper attacks from different snipers, obviously, edited in an attempt to show their success and boost insurgent morale.
For example, the Patriot Blog...
What we have in the video is likely a compilation of different sniper attacks from different snipers, obviously, edited in an attempt to show their success and boost insurgent morale.
For example, the Patriot Blog...
Originally Posted by :
The original video of the US medic being shot by an Iraqi sniper and then jumping back up, got wide distribution. The US unit engaged the sniper team and wounded the sniper. And the same medic who had originally been shot then treated the sniper. The video was taken by the Iraqi sniper team. What I hadn't heard was the sniper was inside a vehicle in the style of the Washington DC snipers. They were using a Soviet Dragonov sniper rifle and the sniper did hit the soldier directly over the heart.
The video in this case, could've been cut to just show the medic going down and chalked it up as another victory of the mighty Juba, regardless of who the sniper was and if he was wounded and captured. Surely, there are many insurgent snipers active but attributing all of this to one super sniper is just too incredible, imo.The original video of the US medic being shot by an Iraqi sniper and then jumping back up, got wide distribution. The US unit engaged the sniper team and wounded the sniper. And the same medic who had originally been shot then treated the sniper. The video was taken by the Iraqi sniper team. What I hadn't heard was the sniper was inside a vehicle in the style of the Washington DC snipers. They were using a Soviet Dragonov sniper rifle and the sniper did hit the soldier directly over the heart.
I still do not understand why someone would post terrorist propaganda, especially an American - or at least at one time an American - posting a video of other Americans supposedly being killed by the enemy.
I get the whole "its not my war" mentality, and I understand many on the left are "world citizens" and dont like to play up any nationalist sentiments, but this almost seems like you're gloating. Look at those dumb Americans being shot down.
Just because President Bush was re-elected doesnt make those people any less your countrymen. I understand the whole objectivity at all costs viewpoint, but it didnt bother you at all to post terrorist propaganda of US soldiers being shot?
How is this "enlightening". At least the first video had no one shot or killed on camera, this one is just sick. I dont care how left wing, anti-america, anti-establishment, pro-arab, bla bla bla a person is, there is something very wrong about getting enjoyment from sharing the misery of your fellow countrymen on the internet.
Oh well, nothing new...
I get the whole "its not my war" mentality, and I understand many on the left are "world citizens" and dont like to play up any nationalist sentiments, but this almost seems like you're gloating. Look at those dumb Americans being shot down.
Just because President Bush was re-elected doesnt make those people any less your countrymen. I understand the whole objectivity at all costs viewpoint, but it didnt bother you at all to post terrorist propaganda of US soldiers being shot?
How is this "enlightening". At least the first video had no one shot or killed on camera, this one is just sick. I dont care how left wing, anti-america, anti-establishment, pro-arab, bla bla bla a person is, there is something very wrong about getting enjoyment from sharing the misery of your fellow countrymen on the internet.
Oh well, nothing new...
Originally Posted by AdrianII:
I hope you are not shooting yourself in the foot, pun intended. This looks to me like an islamist propaganda video, pure and unadulterated. In principle one should not post such links without any further qualification, just like any link to racist websites.
The vid reminds me of some of the footage I have seen from Chechnyan and Kashmiri islamist propaganda videos. Same style, same content, only the language is different.
We will need the help of our Arab-speaking members to translate the voice-over, the logo and several other titles shown in Arabic.
Some of the footage seems fake - the death of occupation soldiers is only suggested, or the responsibility of the sniper is suggested in cases where the cause of death could be entirely different.
So you considered the video for a long time. Do you know anything about the producers, the retailers, the site that first made it available? I always want to know what channels these people use to spread their propaganda. I do not doubt your honest intention, Solypsist, but it would be good if we worked this out together with Arab-speakers in the forum.
I'd be glad to help, Husar will provide the video and i'll translate what i can understand. Its most probably propaganda to raise morale to other would be terrorists.I hope you are not shooting yourself in the foot, pun intended. This looks to me like an islamist propaganda video, pure and unadulterated. In principle one should not post such links without any further qualification, just like any link to racist websites.
The vid reminds me of some of the footage I have seen from Chechnyan and Kashmiri islamist propaganda videos. Same style, same content, only the language is different.
We will need the help of our Arab-speaking members to translate the voice-over, the logo and several other titles shown in Arabic.
Some of the footage seems fake - the death of occupation soldiers is only suggested, or the responsibility of the sniper is suggested in cases where the cause of death could be entirely different.
So you considered the video for a long time. Do you know anything about the producers, the retailers, the site that first made it available? I always want to know what channels these people use to spread their propaganda. I do not doubt your honest intention, Solypsist, but it would be good if we worked this out together with Arab-speakers in the forum.
S-to the-O-to the-LY;
That was some pretty wild stuff old buddy...
K-man.
That was some pretty wild stuff old buddy...
K-man.
Originally Posted by faisal:
I'd be glad to help, Husar will provide the video and i'll translate what i can understand. Its most probably propaganda to raise morale to other would be terrorists.
It just takes some time to upload at an upload-rate of 196kb/sec.I'd be glad to help, Husar will provide the video and i'll translate what i can understand. Its most probably propaganda to raise morale to other would be terrorists.
Will send it as soon as it´s up.
well think of this as something for discussion - and in these times i think propoganda especially deserves scrutiny. i didn't post it for entertainment value (i couldnt finish it the first time around and only completed it to be sure before i posted it here).
while the video is propoganda, this is no joke. but in a forum where users talk about the middle east in abstract terms, i felt this vid might be somewhat (to misuse the word) enlightening.
while the video is propoganda, this is no joke. but in a forum where users talk about the middle east in abstract terms, i felt this vid might be somewhat (to misuse the word) enlightening.
Originally Posted by AdrianII:
I hope you are not shooting yourself in the foot, pun intended. This looks to me like an islamist propaganda video, pure and unadulterated. In principle one should not post such links without any further qualification, just like any link to racist websites.
I hope you are not shooting yourself in the foot, pun intended. This looks to me like an islamist propaganda video, pure and unadulterated. In principle one should not post such links without any further qualification, just like any link to racist websites.
Interesting to see the war from both perspectives.
I don't want to down load the vid and have big bro wacthin' me. So can you guys tell me something about it.
What kind of guns is it, If he has an ak47 or sks(the most popular guns in iraq) and is shooting 300 yards this is fake neither of those is any where near accurate enough for that.
How far is he shooting?
What kind of guns is it, If he has an ak47 or sks(the most popular guns in iraq) and is shooting 300 yards this is fake neither of those is any where near accurate enough for that.
How far is he shooting?
/mode fascist wannabe on
Well, to bad he only hurts them. Hopefully, they won't recover from their wounds.
mode fascist wannabe off\
Well, quite a pity. This is crappy propaganda, but still, it's frightening and disturbing.
Well, to bad he only hurts them. Hopefully, they won't recover from their wounds.
mode fascist wannabe off\
Well, quite a pity. This is crappy propaganda, but still, it's frightening and disturbing.
I dont care how left wing, anti-america, anti-establishment, pro-arab, bla bla bla a person is, there is something very wrong about getting enjoyment from sharing the misery of your fellow countrymen on the internet.
It appears that someone hasn't read any of the posts in this topic
Anyone getting enjoyment out of the video ?
You are right. I misread the Guardian article.
Just common sense , the military would have OPs in high positions plus aerial surveilance , a roof is the last place you would want to be .
Now for some good old fun and enjoyment on the subject........
I wonder if the insurgents would be interested in purchasing some "danger sniper at work" road signs for propoganda purposes . The Fenians arn't using theirs anymore
It appears that someone hasn't read any of the posts in this topic
Anyone getting enjoyment out of the video ?
You are right. I misread the Guardian article.
Just common sense , the military would have OPs in high positions plus aerial surveilance , a roof is the last place you would want to be .
Now for some good old fun and enjoyment on the subject........
I wonder if the insurgents would be interested in purchasing some "danger sniper at work" road signs for propoganda purposes . The Fenians arn't using theirs anymore
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Anyone getting enjoyment out of the video ?
Nope. Anyone getting enjoyment out of the video ?
Nope.
Then I wonder where Panzer got the idea from .
Ah then it must be Soly , I bet he is really enjoying it , damn traitorous liberal that he is .....
backroom users looked to have behaved themselved when i posted this thread so now here's something from the other side.
i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake. i'm hoping that you guys are mature enough to handle it. if i'm wrong then at least we all know where the line is drawn on this subject.
please think before downloading this video, it shows no blood but is graphic. 24 mb, 15 min.
Then I wonder where Panzer got the idea from .
Ah then it must be Soly , I bet he is really enjoying it , damn traitorous liberal that he is .....
backroom users looked to have behaved themselved when i posted this thread so now here's something from the other side.
i considered this vid for a very long time before finally deciding to post it and i hope this isn't a mistake. i'm hoping that you guys are mature enough to handle it. if i'm wrong then at least we all know where the line is drawn on this subject.
please think before downloading this video, it shows no blood but is graphic. 24 mb, 15 min.
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