can the holocaust be denied?

**VAE VICTUS** · 11-07-2005, 10:52

ok some book i saw tried to refute the holocaust, i think the evidence is pretty strong in favor of that it did happen,where do you get bone heaps, and skeletal bodies, the local thrift store?

**InsaneApache** · 11-07-2005, 11:35

the deniers say it was an epidemic of typhus that did the damage....so what were the ovens for, making pies?

I used to know a chap (now deceased) who was in the BUF* in the 30s and he maintained until he died it was a hoax perportrated by the Allies...just why they should do this when the war was clearly won remains a mystery.

*Here

**Rosacrux redux** · 11-07-2005, 14:43

Not more holocaust denial, pleeeeease...

It's getting bloody tiresome, ain't it? The evidence is extremely strong, thousands of people who managed to survive the death camps has testified for it, many, many Germans testified and said it was there and it did happen, there are the ovens, the bone mounds... I mean, revisionist history is fun, but not everything has to be revised.

**Franconicus** · 11-07-2005, 14:57

No, it is illegal in Germany!

**Adrian II** · 11-07-2005, 15:01

Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux

Not more holocaust denial, pleeeeease...

Seconded, for the exact same reasons.

I do not mean to question the original posters intentions and I think his question is valid, but we have done this, been there. We have also discussed all the secundary questions such as the wisdom of laws against Holocaust denial, the motives of deniers, the reason why historiography is and must be constantly revised and updated.

**hellenes** · 11-07-2005, 16:01

Well Rosacrux its the pinnacle of democracy and freedom of speech when its very convinient to people labelling others as "nazis" without themselves having any evidence just OPINIONS and forcing the silence of those that have a different opinion.
Holocaust denial is ILLEGAL in many countries like GERMANY and of course ISRAEL. Also if anyone states that he s facing trial before a Israeli court no matter where he did the statement.
We all know how the Israelis capitalised on the Holocaust industry, and that toghether with their obsession with shutting mouths of denial raises some serious issues.
The second Leuchter Report is quite interesting...

Hellenes

Edit: Point proved.

**Kraxis** · 11-07-2005, 16:06

While the Israeli state is extremely good at pulling that card out when something or somebody goes against them, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

**Adrian II** · 11-07-2005, 16:25

Originally Posted by hellenes

The second Leuchter Report is quite interesting...

Brother Hellenes, you are no doubt aware of the Forum rules.

Examples of objectionable messages include, but are not limited to: [..] Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Thank you for removing the direct Leuchter link, Brother Hellenes.

If you feel that such views can stand up to scrutiny, I suppose you can take them to the Backroom.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-10-2005, 23:52

Originally Posted by hellenes

Well Rosacrux its the pinnacle of democracy and freedom of speech when its very convinient to people labelling others as "nazis" without themselves having any evidence just OPINIONS and forcing the silence of those that have a different opinion.
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The second Leuchter Report is quite interesting...

Quite interesting is saying that the holocaust is just OPINION followed by a signature that reads:

'The Hellenic genocide...it's cover-up made the Holocaust possible'

**Kaiser of Arabia** · 11-09-2005, 23:19

You can't argue weather it happened, but you can argue over the number of dead.

Estimates range from as low as 200,000 to up to 20 million.

**Kraxis** · 11-10-2005, 01:46

Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia

You can't argue weather it happened, but you can argue over the number of dead.

Estimates range from as low as 200,000 to up to 20 million.

But isn't the usual figure somewhere around 11 million? ~6 million Jews, ~3 million Gypsies and ~2 million various.

**Stefan the Berserker** · 11-29-2005, 16:19

Stupid Questions deserve stupid answers:

Yes it is possible, but it is difficult...

1. Chop of all your Hair and eat it with Butter.
2. Put five 0,2 L Glasses of this in the Microwave.
3. Put on a black Poloshirt.
4. Listen to Rammstein Songs for 6 Hours and consume the hot Stuff.

Do now try to read the Book and it will all appear logical.

**KrooK** · 01-16-2010, 20:41

Of course holocaust can't be denied. Evidence of holocaust (documents, photos, spectators) is so strong that simply can't be denied. Some advocates of nazis sentenced into western europe tried but ... they failed.

**Kralizec** · 01-16-2010, 21:37

I would break my country's law if I denied it, even on this forum...

Fragony's right, there's no specific law in the Netherlands that prohibits holocaust denial. The "problem" is that it usually goes hand-in-hand with hatemongering.
But, if you make a serious historical argument that the Holocaust never happened without making overtly racist statements you'd never be convicted.