that creepy creepy state...

[Gregoshi]

That is downright creepy Kukri. Do you know what the ritual involved?

kagamusha, a small sorrow I have about this pow-wow stuff is, had it come up about 3-4 years ago, I'd have had 3 Pennsylvania Dutch grandparents from which to get even more about this topic. I have one grandmother still living but her memory comes and goes from day to day and lately it is more going than coming. I'd sure would have liked to have talked to them about this.