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    Default Re: U.S. using phosphorus bombs in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Not if the enemy is using it as a cache for their weapons and ammunition. Not if the enemy is occupying it as a command post. Not if the enemy is using it as a defensive position.

    Ah , but they were not were they , and the only flimsy evidence put forward to support the claim was that there were telephones at the hospital . Thatv doesn't stand up to any scrutiny at all does it .
    Try again and mention specific hospitals - care to guess how many they found cache's in. I found two in a quick google search. So mention specific dates and events.

    Unless of course you are talking about the insurgents using sucide bombs in front of hospitals.


    See above.

    Yeah , see above
    LOL - again specific information. Allegations are only allegations.

    Nope you can detain medical personel who are not in the process of performing their duties in treating medical emergancies.

    And what other duties would medical personael be performing in a hospital ?
    Maybe allowing injured people to be kidnapped by insurgents for be found later to be dismembered.

    Or they could be doing routine medicial treatments.

    Only if you captured and disarmed them.
    So if I capture and disarm someone you can come along and kill them
    It would seem so especially if you did not inform the chain of command that you left a wounded and disarmed individual behind. The media doesn't get a pass on it either.

    Looting is against the rules of the army. You got proof or as I suspect you are just throwing that one out there, because of the looting by Iraqi civilians that was not immediately stopped by the military.
    Yeah I just make it up as I go along and throw it out there , but the small problem with that assumption is it ignores the fact that it is detailed in your governmnets reports into actions carried out by forces under coilition authority in Fallujah .
    No assumption on my part - you alledged looting - find the report - read the report and see if the soldiers who committed looting were indentified and held responsible for their violation of the code of conduct. Until then you made a generalization - which again means you just threw it out there. Check to see what it actually states and who it states the looters are. Care to guess?

    Not if they are being used by the enemy for purposes of storage, command, communications or as strongpoints.

    See above
    Again got proof of arson -

    See above
    Not good enough Tribesman your throwing out accusations wanting it to be taken as fact - no supporting evidence or even links. You do the research you present the facts - not just your verbalization of rethoric.


    Got proof of extra-judicial killings that are not being investigated and the individual who did the killing is not being held responsible.
    No prosecutions so far .But the allegations are made by your government , I am just repeating them , see above
    There are three that I know of - again go back and research the facts - you might be suprised since several prosecutions have happened. Here is just one of them.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=281084

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar..._iraqis_death/

    FORT HOOD, Texas -- An Army soldier has been cleared of killing an unarmed Iraqi he said he shot to save a fellow soldier. Staff Sgt. Shane Werst, 32, was acquitted Thursday by a jury of four soldiers and two officers. He had faced a maximum of life in prison without parole for the premeditated murder charge.
    Again an allegation of no prosecutions is unfounded - since at least one has been put on trail and then acquitted.

    A violation of the Geneva Conventions - but not a crime.

    So breaking conventions governing warfare is not a crime
    Try again - I know its confusing for you.

    Well when you look at some of the pictures of the fighting - some are probably dead, some are probably captured, and some got away.

    Come on Red you must be able to recall the numbers of foriegners dead or captured , they were spectacularly low
    which indicates that there precentage is low - however there were some now were there not.

    Charges that would of stuck against the actions of the Serbs - not against the UN soldiers.

    Red you know the conventions and treaties , they would have stuck against both groups , different charges and different categories .
    The Dutch soldiers acting in defense of the civilians would of not been prosecuted in the United States - only in Europe would they be prosecuted for defending unarmed civilians.

    Using the High Horse of Moral outrage against war in Iraq - but defending the actions of soldiers because of some rule of the United Nations when they did not prevent a massacre of civilians - well is hypocrisy as it is defined.
    Yeah right ....hypocracy .... Yep oh look I agreed it was morally repugnent . But unless the Serbs fired at the Dutch they were not allowed to take any action were they .An absolutey crazy situation , but unfortunately it is a fact .
    You can't have it both ways Tribesman the hypocrisy is there.

    Anyway back toThen your question is irrevelant - since they are both air burst munitions.
    Nope , magnesium illumination rounds don't burst , if they did then the parachute wouldn't work would it (unless you are talking about multiple illumination devices in a single projectile) , they stay intact , and the casing is consumed by the heat of the chemical , not an air-burst at all is it
    The incident I referred to was an example of of them not being used correctly, they are supposed to burn out while still in the air arn't they , as if they hit the ground they are incendiary arn't they , so incindiary that they burn through sheet metal and you cannot use incendiaries in civilian areas can you .
    Magnesium illumination rounds don't burst - that is new to me since part of the observation is to observe the burst of the explosive that ignites the illumination round. So you can time how long the illumination will last, and to adjust the height of burst.

    Care to guess how many of them I have seen used correctly that fall to the ground and burn anyway?

    Again you attempt at sarcasm in regards to illumination rounds show only how little you know about them.

    And illumination can be shot over civilian areas because the munition intent is for illumination not causing fires.
    Last edited by Redleg; 11-11-2005 at 21:03.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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