Economics of the Golden Horde: How can I get those?

[lugh]

Isn't it true that you can possibly capture Kazar quickly, build it up with all
of the coolest stuff, and put several large stacks of troops there= massive
Horde will appear.

Yeah, I remember that thread, can't find it though. I could've sworn I'd posted in it, but it's not in my subscribed threads.
Long story short, the player spammed as many untis as he could and managed to place them in KHazar just before the Mongols arrived. Ot was pretty dissapointing, it had been discussed in a few thread on the mongols but he was the first to do it, we were all expecting 100k+, I think it was about 25-30k in the end, mostly low end troops since the province wasn't teched.
Now, as the Russians you might be able to get the province up to higher fort with silver armour maybe, that might affect the troop quality, but I doubt it'll affect the numbers.

[Pericles]

For the Golden Horde, it might help if the faction type is changed to expansionary and then give the Horde 5,000,000 florins.

A well financed Horde might be a bit tougher to play against...

[miho]

For the Golden Horde, it might help if the faction type is changed to expansionary and then give the Horde 5,000,000 florins.

A well finaced Horde might be a bit tougher to play against...

Then they really would be a worthy adversary.

[Grey_Fox]

It won't make much of a difference since they'll only spam peasants at you. What the AI really needs is teched up provinces.

[English assassin]

Long story short, the player spammed as many untis as he could and managed to place them in KHazar just before the Mongols arrived.

I did this a while back, to annoy the Byzantines, although I certainly wasn't the first because I got the idea from someone else on the Org I think. I dumped loads of peasants in by sea as the English in 1229. Then I went back to attacking Spain and watched the fun.

It does work. Stuff Khazar full of cheap units and you get a superhorde. The unit mix is the same as usual though, maybe it would have been better if you stock Khazar with good troops but that sort of defeats the purpose.

[Vladimir]

Does anyone know what the code says? The emergence of the horde seems to behave much like a revolt but still has a random element.

[miho]

Does anyone know what the code says? The emergence of the horde seems to behave much like a revolt but still has a random element.

I would check but I don't know where to look. It would be a good idea that they wouldn't appear in every campaign.

[Ludens]

Does anyone know what the code says? The emergence of the horde seems to behave much like a revolt but still has a random element.

I don't think so. As far as I know, the horde appearance is just a scripted "faction re-emergance".

Spamming peasants in Khazar does increase the Horde's numbers, but perhaps there is an upper limit. For an even greater challenge, put a military academy, master swordsmith and armourer and a cathedral + relinquiry (or grand monsque and ribat) in Khazar. The horde will now have full upgrades, making their units even thougher.

[lugh]

[quote=lugh]Yeah, I remember that thread, can't find it though.
Long story short, the player spammed as many untis as he could and managed to place them in KHazar just before the Mongols arrived.[quote]
I found the thread if anyone's interested.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=54233

Looks like the cap is rather low. If anyone has any screenis vs the horde that have a higher number of Mongols than this, I'd be interested in them. Logs or saved battles too.

[antisocialmunky]

A master armourer always helps.

[lugh]

To improve their numbers? I thought the upgrades just gave them better armour etc etc?
Damnit, I'll have to go play a new campaign just to find out now...

[Ludens]

To improve their numbers? I thought the upgrades just gave them better armour etc etc?

It won't increase their numbers, but if you think normal Mongol Heavies are though, try gold armed/armoured Mongol Heavies.

[antisocialmunky]

I don't think Khazar supports weaponsmiths though. I'm sure you could mod them to have 100 strong cavalry units.

[lugh]

I've always had more trouble with their HAs, at least the Heavies will give you a fight! Then again, I've never really found an effective way to fight against HAs of any stripe. I can fight with 'em fine. In my Spanish campaign, my undefeated 9* super army got itself trounced last night 'cause I didn't have enough cavalry to chase all the damn Boyars down.