Rice rebukes Iranian leader

[Byzantine Prince]

CNN - link

Condoleezza Rice: Iran's government "has become more threatening, not less threatening."

How articulate. Whatever schools she went to I suggest she get's her money back.

Even though this guy is a god-fan, I prefer him to Rice, or the Saudis. At least he doesn't make statements like that!

[Adrian II]

How articulate. Whatever schools she went to I suggest she get's her money back.

Actually that statement was rather eloquent, even though it probably originated with a speech-writer.

'When we look at a country like Iran we see an educated and sophisticated people who are the bearers of a great civilization. And we also see that as Iran's government has grown more divorced from the will of its citizens it has become more threatening, not less threatening.'

Rice's confuzzled way of thinking usually transpires when she testifies in Congress and has to improvise and use her own words.

[Redleg]

Well it seems someone or two someone's are jealous of a public person's education level.

Education
After studying piano at an Aspen music camp, Rice enrolled at the University of Denver, where her father both served as an assistant dean and taught a class called "The Black Experience in America." [1]

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert pianist. Her plans changed when she attended a course on international politics taught by Josef Korbel, the father of former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. This experience sparked her interest in the Soviet Union and international relations and led her to call Korbel, "one of the most central figures in my life" [2].

In 1974, at age 19, Rice earned her B.A. in political science (cum laude) and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver. In 1975, she obtained her Master's Degree from the University of Notre Dame. In 1976 she switched her party registration/affiliation to the Republican Party. She first worked in the State Department in 1977, during the Carter administration, as an intern in the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. In 1981, at age 26, she received her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver. In addition to English, she speaks Russian, French, and Spanish.

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Academic career

Condoleezza RiceAt Stanford University, Rice was an Assistant Professor, Political Science (1981-1987), Associate Professor (1987-1993), tenured Professor of Political Science (1993-July 2000), (see [3]], Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Senior Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. She was a specialist on the former Soviet Union and gave lectures on the subject for the Berkeley-Stanford joint program led by U.C. Berkeley's George Breslauer in the mid-1980s. She also was an avid reader of Leo Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, and once told a friend she leaned toward the latter in her world view. She was quietly cerebral, friendly but decorous, and always popular among students. They often saw her exercising in the gym. From 1993 to 1999 she served as the Stanford Provost, the chief budget and academic officer of the university. Yet, she managed to maintain friendly contact with various student associations, such as the Venezuelan Student Organization. After departing to enter government service, she returned to Stanford in June 2002 to deliver the commencement address.

Rice is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004.

Rice has written or collaborated on several books, including Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995), The Gorbachev Era (1986), and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

[Adrian II]

Well it seems someone or two someone's are jealous of a public person's education level.

Oh, her academic record is fine, but she seems to have two problems that are real liabilities in political life:

1. She can not think on her feet
2. She remains stuck in a 'statist' view of international relations that belongs to the previous epoch of the Cold War about which she published so much

Hence the undue emphasis of 'her' National Security Council on the need to remove Saddam as the supposed linchpin of international terrorism/jihadism. This territorial 'solution' which she advocated together with others only feeds the jihadist movement. Her work on German reunification under James Baker III was brilliant. Iraq's unification is a different ballgame...

[Redleg]

Oh, her academic record is fine, but she seems to have two problems that are real liabilities in political life:

1. She can not think on her feet

1. And your perception on this is wrong - she does very well thinking on her own two feet. She might not be the greatest at it - but having watched her in front of Congress testifing she has a weak moments and she has her strong momments. Several times I watched her give as good as she got from several congressman.
   
   

2. 2. She remains stuck in a 'statist' view of international relations that belongs to the previous epoch of the Cold War about which she published so much

[Redleg]

From the BBC

Last Updated: Thursday, 20 January, 2005, 16:09 GMT

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Profile: Condoleezza Rice

Ms Rice's intellectual brilliance is undisputed
Condoleezza Rice is the first black female to be appointed as US secretary of state.
She was also the first to occupy the key post of national security adviser.

She is the most academic member of the Bush foreign affairs team and - because of her gender, background and youth - one of the most distinctive.

Personally close to Mr Bush, she spends almost every weekend with the president and his wife Laura at Camp David.

She has been one of his key supporters during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and in the continuing war against terror.

Despite a somewhat stern demeanour, which has earned her the nickname "warrior princess", Ms Rice has consistently been one of the most popular members of the Bush administration and a proven ally for a president who came to office with little experience of foreign affairs.

Against all odds

Ms Rice was born in 1954 and grew up in Birmingham, Alabama under the shadow of segregation. Racism was so ingrained in her childhood that she says she hardly noticed it.

My parents had me absolutely convinced that, well, you may not be able to have a hamburger at Woolworth's but you can be president of the United States

US National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice
When she was just eight years old, Ms Rice was standing inside her father's church when she felt the floor shake. A Ku Klux Klan bomb had exploded at a Baptist Church two blocks away, killing four young black girls, one of them her classmate since kindergarten.

She has often said that to get ahead, she had to be "twice as good", and her childhood chiselled her strong determination and self-respect.

Ms Rice's mother was a music teacher who taught her to play the piano. Her father was a pastor and college principal, who shared his enthusiasm for sport with his daughter.

Change of heart

In an interview with Newsweek magazine, Ms Rice said that despite growing up with racial segregation, personal expectations were high.

"My parents had me absolutely convinced that, well, you may not be able to have a hamburger at Woolworth's but you can be president of the United States," she said.


Rice is a close friend as well as political ally of Bush
Her parents taught her that education was the best armour against segregation and prejudice.

Regarded as one of America's brightest and best, Ms Rice went to the University of Denver at 15 and graduated with a degree in political science at the still tender age of 19.

A concert level pianist, she had originally enrolled as a music student, with the intention of becoming a classical pianist.

But while at Denver she came under the influence of Josef Korbel, a Czech refugee and father to the US' first woman secretary of state, Madeleine Albright.

Under his guidance, she became interested in international relations and the study of the Soviet Union and switched courses.

Testing times

A masters and doctorate followed and, at the age of 26, Ms Rice became a fellow at Stanford University's Centre for International Security and Arms Control.

After serving as the Soviet affairs adviser on Bush senior's National Security Council, Condoleezza Rice returned to Stanford in 1991 and, in 1993, became the youngest, the first female and first non-white provost.

Until her appointment as national security adviser, she was a member of several boards of directors, including that of the Chevron Corporation (which named one of its oil tankers Condoleezza Rice, but later renamed it Altair Voyager).


A concert level pianist, here Rice is accompanied by Yo Yo Ma

When the Bush administration came to power, her influence over early foreign policy strategy was considerable.

She led the tricky negotiations with Russia over missile defence, and is thought to have spearheaded the unilateralist tone of the first months of the Bush presidency.

But it was in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in Washington and New York that she really proved her strength, standing staunchly by the president during the difficult days ahead and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

She is thought to be one of the most significant creators of the controversial Bush doctrine of pre-emptive action against states thought to be a threat against the US.

"The United States has always reserved the right to try and diminish or to try to eliminate a threat before it is attacked," she stated firmly in an interview shortly before the war in Iraq.

But controversial as this view may be it has done nothing to diminish her popularity, both inside and outside the White House.

In fact, her steely determination in these times of conflict may serve her well as she prepares to take up the post of secretary of state.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3609327.stm

[Adrian II]

Attacking her intelligence is something else enterily, especially when her acedemic career would show how idiotic such an attack is.

And she has the wrong hairdresser as well.

[Redleg]

And she has the wrong hairdresser as well.

Yes indeed she needs to fire her hairdresser - But then again she just might like that look.

[Devastatin Dave]

Typical liberals. Unless a black person is speaking ebonic, voting for democrats, are not self reliant, or blaming whitey for all their ills, liberals will attack them. She's off the plantation so I guess she's a "uncle Tom" or a "house nigger". I bet she'll be pelted with Oreo cookies soon. Who are the real racists?

[Reverend Joe]

Typical liberals. Unless a black person is speaking ebonic, voting for democrats, are not self reliant, or blaming whitey for all their ills, liberals will attack them. She's off the plantation so I guess she's a "uncle Tom" or a "house nigger". I bet she'll be pelted with Oreo cookies soon. Who are the real racists?

Dave, what the hell are you jabbering about? You need to stop eating jimson weeds when you post here.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Dave, what the hell are you jabbering about? You need to stop eating jimson weeds when you post here.

Maybe you should lay off the drugs yourself and do a bit of research on the matter before accussing others of being delusional.

[Goofball]

Typical liberals. Unless a black person is speaking ebonic, voting for democrats, are not self reliant, or blaming whitey for all their ills, liberals will attack them. She's off the plantation so I guess she's a "uncle Tom" or a "house nigger". I bet she'll be pelted with Oreo cookies soon. Who are the real racists?

The real racists? How about these guys? I know they're not liberals, but they still fit the racist bill:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Please show me how Rush is a racist. This is lunacy.

[Ser Clegane]

Actually, Dave, you are the first to make "race" an issue of this discussion.

As long as you cannot criticize a person without having to fear that others might accuse you that your criticism is based on race, and as long as you cannot give a very capable person a position in your cabinet without having to put up with people who say that you just did it to meet some "race quota" we apparently still have a long way to go on the road to real equal rights...

Nobody can dispute that Rice is a very intelligent and capable person and has earned her position - even if you disagree with her political poistion.
However, everybody has the right to criticize a person in the position she holds - and she has the "right" to be the target of mockery just as any other politician who holds a position like hers as long as this mockery focuses on what she does and not on her skin color.

[Geoffrey S]

Actually, Dave, you are the first to make "race" an issue of this discussion.

Hey, pre-emptive strike y'know?

[Adrian II]

Nobody can dispute that Rice is a very intelligent and capable person (..)

I can.

[Geoffrey S]

On both counts or just the one?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I can.

Hey we all make fools of ourselves sometimes.

[yesdachi]

I can.

Pah-lease.

[Devastatin Dave]

Damn right I brought race into it. I can gurantee if she was a democrat or a black (which Clinton NEVER appointed an African American in ANY high office) appointed by Bill Clinton there would never be a thread about this statement. Shoes on the other foot this time...

BTW Adrian, you forgot to have Senator Byrd (D) on your little gallery. Not only was he once in the Klan, but also used the word "white niggers" on a news broadcast. Just another shining example of the lib double standard.

Who are the real racists? LIBERALS!!!!

[Kralizec]

Rice is smarter then Bush.

HA!

[Ser Clegane]

I can gurantee if she was a democrat or a black (which Clinton NEVER appointed an African American in ANY high office) appointed by Bill Clinton there would never be a thread about this statement.

If you think that this is about racism, I think the interesting question would rather be whether this thread would have been started if the statement had been made by e.g. Dick Cheney (or if a "conservative" would have started it about Kerry).
If the answer is "yes", then I do not see what the thread has to do with skin color. If the answer is "no" that you would have a point, Dave.

Quite frankly - I do not know the answer,

In the end it just seems to be rather petty to start a thread on a statement like this, regardless who made the statement.

[Kralizec]

DD, is there anyone specific in this thead who you think is racist?

If not, why bother bringing it up?

[Adrian II]

BTW Adrian, you forgot to have Senator Byrd (D) on your little gallery.

That was Goofball's gallery.

@Geoffrey S
On the second count of course.

[Tribesman]

After studying piano at an Aspen music camp,
Wow , Condi went to band Camp , I wonder if she learnt any tricks with wind instuments .

[Hurin_Rules]

Rice is no moron, but I don't think she's very good thinking on her feet. For the record, I don't think Hilary Clinton is either--she's very wooden. Anyway, Rice, like Bush, seems to find it hard to craft long sentences without prepared remarks to guide her. This is not always a big problem in academic forums--some professors just read their notes in class. It is much more of a problem in politics. I have to disagree with Redleg here-- when I watched her before congress, I didn't think she did very well. Then again, maybe Redleg was just comparing her to Bush.

[Ice]

After studying piano at an Aspen music camp,
Wow , Condi went to band Camp , I wonder if she learnt any tricks with wind instuments .

No Doubt.

[Goofball]

Damn right I brought race into it. I can gurantee if she was a democrat or a black (which Clinton NEVER appointed an African American in ANY high office) appointed by Bill Clinton there would never be a thread about this statement.

Objection, your honor!

Calls for speculation on the part of the witness!

Honestly Dave, how can you make a statement like that and expect anybody to take you seriously? You can not guarantee what anybody else will do. Cripes, based on your posts in this thread, I don't think you even know what you will do from one moment to the next.

BTW Adrian, you forgot to have Senator Byrd (D) on your little gallery. Not only was he once in the Klan, but also used the word "white niggers" on a news broadcast. Just another shining example of the lib double standard.

You're actually right Dave. Byrd is another excellent example of a conservative racist. I should have definitely included him in my first gallery.

Sorry to keep PWNing you like this BTW, but as others have pointed out you set up the racism straw man in this thread in the first place so you deserve everything you get.

It's a shame when your own straw man kicks your arse, isn't it...

[The Black Ship]

Actually Goofball, I'm not sure you're correct. Thurman and Byrd are Democrats, hardly considered in the conservative camp. Racists they are indeed, but they belong under the liberal umbrella. So you've used two out of three example incorrectly...

[Xiahou]

Please show me how Rush is a racist. This is lunacy.

He's alot of things- but I certainly don't think racist is one of them.