Look at this!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
If this is that new upcoming movie god save us all!
Bugger it looks like this is the 1962 version. Oh well!
http://www.timeout.com/film/news/589.html
Aaah but heres the real deal!
The 300 Spartans!
Look at this!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
If this is that new upcoming movie god save us all!
Bugger it looks like this is the 1962 version. Oh well!
http://www.timeout.com/film/news/589.html
Aaah but heres the real deal!
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Re: The 300 Spartans!
Not really a remake.
Its a movie adaption of Frank 'Sin City' Miller's graphic novel 300 - which is based on the famous last stand of the Spartans and their king.
Should be good
Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon Phil Bennett's pre 1977 Rugby match speech
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Except we all know that there were more troops there than just 300 Spartans
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managed to defeat the huge Persian army at Thermopylae in 480 BC.
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Yeah, sickening....
Stoopid Hollywood, the story is as good as it gets already, no need to change it...
Re: The 300 Spartans!
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
Except we all know that there were more troops there than just 300 SpartansYeah, sickening....
Stoopid Hollywood, the story is as good as it gets already, no need to change it...managed to defeat the huge Persian army at Thermopylae in 480 BC.
Indeed, but I believe the 300 are the focus of the story - cannot remember if the 2000 or so Greek allies had a central role in the book.
But the book doesnt even try to claim to be historically accurate.
I repeat Its a film of the graphic novel
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Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon Phil Bennett's pre 1977 Rugby match speech
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Since when did the Spartans defeat the Persians?!
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I believe that website got it wrong, they all die in the book
Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon Phil Bennett's pre 1977 Rugby match speech
Re: The 300 Spartans!
That comic makes me vomit...Not really a remake.
Its a movie adaption of Frank 'Sin City' Miller's graphic novel 300 - which is based on the famous last stand of the Spartans and their king.
Should be good
Ancient Spartans BLACK?
I respect all the black people and their history but the theory of Black Athena just makes one wonder with the sickness of some individual minds...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...01414?v=glance
The answer... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...01414?v=glance
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Miller does not depict the Spartans and other Hellenes as being 'black' in his graphic novel but he does depict the Persians as being sub-Saharan Africans! It's so bad it actually gives afrocentric historical revisionists cause to celebrate. The graphic novel is apparently full of ahistorical nonsense like that.
I cringe at the thought of Hollyweird taking this particular Miller creation and adapting it for the big screen. The half of me that is Greek is quietly screaming out in protest of yet another half baked depiction of my ancestor's acheivements. I'm still recovering from Oliver Stone's 'Alexander'.
I was thoroughly underwhelmed by most aspects of Sin City except for its striking visuals and Mickey Rourke's shockingly superb voice over. If anything watching Sin City reminded me why I stopped reading comics when I was 14 or 15. Frank Miller may be one of the great comic book writers/artists of all time but his dialogue is alarmingly pretentious and loses a great deal of impact when matched to live action cinema. I had to keep from snickering during most of the silly monologues in Sin City, such profound nonsense!
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Miller used to make pretty darn good comics. Alas, he's been losing his touch for a while now - IMHO the last indisputably good works he made were Ronin and the about first three or four Sin City books. After that it's been downhill; whatever the sequel to that brilliant old warhorse The Dark Knight Returns was now called it was crap, and I've developed a hearty dislike of the increasingly gratuitious and pretentious melodrama and "gritty angst" of the Sin City series in general and the character of Dwight in particular, who supplies a large dose of the stuck-up monologue.
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"Officer, someone has been to the graveyard at night and looted the earthly remnants of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. A few examples of very bad scriptwriting found at the scene suggest the perpetrators may have connections to the movie industry..."
God, why ?
That aside, methinks the ancient Greeks tend to get rather overrated on the basis of certain battles - because when you really look at it, Marathon, Thermopylae and Salamis alike went like they went mostly due to succesful startegy instead of something like "fighting spirit" or "Greek heroism" or whatever. Think about it. The Persian army was one meant for manoeuvre; it was built up so it could use its vast numbers of infantry to pin down the enemy, weaken him with massed archery, and roll up his flanks with cavalry and other mobile forces. Conversely the Greek hoplites were all about slow linear formations of heavy infantry clashing directly, and indeed often found it necessary to settle a place in advance to have suitable terrain to fight on.
At both Thermopylae and Marathon the Greeks were able to force the Persians into a position that functionally eliminated the maneuverability of their opponents and allowed them to either lauch a linear attack or wait for the enemy to come to them in very confined space, with both flanks anchored by geography.
I understand they didn't tend to fare nearly as well on open fields.
If I recall correctly Salamis was essentially a naval ambush. Now, this is galley warfare we're dealing with. Among its defining features were a tendency to be utterly ruinous to whoever lost the battle, and the rather extreme vulnerability of the ships' flanks if they weren't properly covered by comrades. What this amounts to in practice is that the Persians would have had to engage in some fairly Herculean heroics, and the Greeks in some truly glaring naval ineptitude, just to avoid losing a better part of their ships present...
While all the occasions mentioned speak highly of the strategic skill of the Greeks, that by default makes them somewhat moot for judging their ability and quality on the tactical level. As such this is all well and good - after all, good strategy is all about maximizing your own advantages and minimizing those of your enemy, isn't it ? But it's something one should remember before engaging in too much hero-worship.
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Re: The 300 Spartans!
The Spartans are shown as Sub Saharan African...
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Impunity is an open wound in the human soul.
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The best choose one thing in exchange for all, everflowing fame among mortals; but the majority are satisfied with just feasting like beasts.
Re: The 300 Spartans!
Well I would characterize the figures in that pic as being borderline neanderthal! It's definitely a stylistic.. umr, interpretation.
The Spartans are shown as Sub Saharan African...
Hellenes
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All of them, or just a few? The Persians did have a reasonable number of African people in their army, though from just how far south I don't know.
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When will people stop expecting history films to be historicly accurate?
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Especially as ITS NOT A FRIGGING HISTORY FILM ! ITS FRANK MILLER'S FILM OF HIS GRPAHIC NOVEL !!!
God-damn !
Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon Phil Bennett's pre 1977 Rugby match speech
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But, isn't there already a fantastic film entitled The 300 Spartans, in which Leonidas and his band of merry men are defeated?
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Yes, it would be the first link he posted
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
But I assure you they all die in Frank Miller's version too.
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The Stax Report: Script Review of 300
An exclusive first look at the big-screen adaptation of Frank Miller's graphic novel!
by Stax
February 17, 2004 - Stax here with my reaction to the screenplay for 300. This 121-page second draft dated May 22, 2003 was penned by Michael Gordon (the forthcoming G.I. Joe movie). It is an adaptation of the Frank Miller/Lynn Varley graphic novel miniseries of the same name published by Dark Horse Comics. 300 will be produced by Gianni Nunnari and Mark Canton. Frank Miller is expected to be involved in some capacity. 300 is a separate project than the similar Gates of Fire and The 300 Spartans remake.
300 is a fictionalized account of the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 B.C. where Leonidas, King of Sparta, and his 300 warriors confronted the overwhelming forces of Persian ruler Xerxes. Unlike Gates of Fire, Leonidas is the main protagonist of this retelling. He has long wanted to unite the Greeks under one banner and Xerxes' hostility has given his dream newfound urgency. Sparta will fall to the mighty Persian army unless they stand against Xerxes.
Leonidas determines that the cities themselves cannot be held so the only way to halt Xerxes' seemingly inevitable march towards victory is to make their stand at the Hot Gates (a.k.a. Gates of Fire), an imposing, narrow mountain pass that will give the Spartans a distinct advantage over Xerxes' sheer numbers. The Persians fall for Leonidas' ploy, underestimating the effectiveness of The Hot Gates and the Spartans' will to survive.
The outcome of the Battle of Thermopylae is known to history but why should I spoil it for you if you don't already know? Suffice to say that it's still remembered today along with similar "small force vs. huge army" battles like The Alamo and Rorke's Drift.
What made Gordon's draft of 300 a better account of the Battle of Thermopylae than David Self's adaptation of Gates of Fire was that it succeeded in developing its characters. Leonidas is not overlooked here as he was in Gates; he is Spartacus, William Wallace, and Maximus all rolled into one. A wise and noble leader of men who can also throw down with the best of him.
His beautiful and gutsy wife Gorgo risks her life not only for Sparta (and all of Greece) but also to help save her husband. Leonidas may fight on the battlefield but Gorgo must navigate the treacherous world of Hellenic politics. While she's only a supporting character, Gorgo is a brave and strong-willed heroine in a story otherwise devoid of women.
Leonidas' constant companion and captain of the guard is his younger brother Artemis. Their hatred for the Persians goes back to a tragic encounter in their youth (it's the opening sequence of this draft). The captain, as the script mostly refers to Artemis, is also the father of Stelios but he shows his son no preferential treatment over the other troops.
The character that borders on being the most outrageous and least developed is Xerxes. He is a true supervillain: a garish megalomaniac hellbent on ruling the world. His enormous golden throne is carried by dozens of slaves, he is tended to by a bevy of concubines, and he himself is literally larger-than-life. My only nitpicks with this draft usually involved him. For example, Xerxes has the script's worst line when he utters that old chestnut "resistance is futile." Other than little moments like that, Gordon's script was a smooth and fun ride.
Unlike Leonidas, Xerxes relies on his generals to fight his battles and if they fail ... well, let's just say there apparently wasn't much job security in the ancient Persian army. On the positive side, though, they were apparently a more diverse outfit – including Africans, Asians, and Indians – than the Greeks.
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The most interesting and memorable character was the deformed hunchback Ephialtes. A Spartan by birth, Ephialtes lives in the mountains because his parents feared raising him in the city. He knows this terrain better than anyone and wants to serve his king but the regular Spartan troops show him no respect. Ephialtes is this story's Gollum, a sympathetic wretch capable of both decency and deceit. Simply put, he steals the show.
The actual battle of Thermopylae spans most of the story, taking place in segments. My favorite one wasn't necessarily the final stand, which was powerful and poignant, but rather a sequence three-quarters of the way through where the Persians' seemingly invincible elite corps, The Immortals, make the unfortune mistake of raiding the Spartan camp. Things don't go quite as they had expected. 'Nuff said.
The scale of 300's battle scenes was beyond epic. They are akin to those depicted in the Lord of the Rings trilogy (and possibly Troy, judging by its latest trailer). The spectacle of thousands upon thousands of Persians storming this craggy mountain pass would have seemed unfilmable just a few years ago but in this post-Helm's Deep era anything is possible thanks to CGI.
Hopefully, these epic battles won't be scaled down too much due to budgetary concerns but there's no denying that this film will be hugely expensive. Fortunately, it will be worth every cent.
300 was a grand tale of heroism and valor during wartime. Its timely (and clearly allegorical) overtones gave it an additional resonance but even if one didn't pick up on them, 300 still packed an emotional punch. This glorious war epic deserves to be realized onscreen but the question remains whether it can now escape the gates of fire, er, development hell. – STAX
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Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon Phil Bennett's pre 1977 Rugby match speech
Re: The 300 Spartans!
There can be victory in death. The Spartans lost the battle but because of them the Greeks won the war. The Spartans werent defeated but they were killed.But, isn't there already a fantastic film entitled The 300 Spartans, in which Leonidas and his band of merry men are defeated?
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Frank Miller is one of the best, if not the best writer of comic books at the moment. So i believe it will be good. Its a story, not a document.
Last edited by Kagemusha; 11-13-2005 at 15:02.
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Re: The 300 Spartans!
Then why use names and events from actual history? Why don't they use fictitious nations and armies so that the film audience isn't misled?When will people stop expecting history films to be historicly accurate?
This was done with Inherit the Wind, allowing the writers to monkey with the story to make their points.
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