I know there has been a lot of discussion everywhere. What I am asking today is:
1. How has G effected your country?
2. What effects do you think will come in the future?
3. What do you want your politics to do about it?
I know there has been a lot of discussion everywhere. What I am asking today is:
1. How has G effected your country?
2. What effects do you think will come in the future?
3. What do you want your politics to do about it?
1. More goods from the worldwide market available.
2. More economic and social development.
3. Everything it can to further globalisation.
1. The low payed industrial jobs are leaving out of the country. to countries with cheaper labour.
2. Negative effects.It will twist the world economy and only serve the intrest of the global investors. Countries start competing who has the cheapest labour and that will lead in more misery and unstable societys.
3. I dont know is there anymore much to do about it. But the trading Unions like the EU can manage to slow it down.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
1. The US has been made rich by it, and it has changed the nature of our economy.
2. Read Gibson; specialization of goods.
3. Libertarian ideals--free trade is good, and globalization will help end extremism.
Sounds good to me.Originally Posted by Kanamori
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"Don't believe everything you read online."
-Abraham Lincoln
Globalization is wiping out the *high paid* manufacturing jobs in the U.S. The low pay, low skill jobs went long ago (1st phase.) It is also wiping out the R&D side. (More high compensation areas.) Both of these are things I've observed first hand, both in U.S. operations, and on location for the overseas facilities.
It is this 2nd phase is what concerns me. There is a lot of short term profit, but not long term reinvestment, at least not in the U.S. (and surprisingly little overseas.) The loss of the high skills/high education jobs is not a good harbinger for the future. And what I've seen in overseas operations is very little in the way of R&D. They are run as low margin operations.
The benefits of globalization are a cheaper product for consumers and access to many products we would not have. The long term bill hasn't arrive yet, or at least we haven't been required to pay it yet--we just keep racking up mammoth trade deficits.
This is not to say that we should resist globalization. I think most protectionism is counterproductive (other than preserving parts of industries for cultural/social reasons.) However, I do recognize globalization has its negatives.
Politicians should be focusing on keeping/regaining our edge through measures that encourage research and development IN OUR COUNTRY. They should also be seeking to make sure cheap labor nations abide by reasonable environmental, safety, intellectual property, and free trade standards. That will go along way toward levelling the field.
As for the future: I see a rough patch coming, where the 1st World standard of living decays while the 3rd world wage earners rise. Should rebalance after a time, but the transition looks unpleasant. If we had some great new tech coming, I don't think the high end would suffer. Unfortunately, decades of declining R&D (for the sake of growing profit) has long term consequences.
Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.
1. The jute mills and ship yards closed down.Originally Posted by Franconicus
2. The city will get much worse, less jobs, population will decrease
3. Encourage secondary industries to move to Dundee.
P.S. I misread country as city...
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It was not theirs to make reply,
It was theirs but to do or die.
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1) Killed off our weaker industries, strengthened our strong ones; lowered prices for consumers.Originally Posted by Franconicus
2) More of the same (hopefully).
3) Completely keep their damned sticky political fingers out of free enterprise.
"What, have Canadians run out of guns to steal from other Canadians and now need to piss all over our glee?"
- TSM
1. Wages don't rise as much as they used, more unemployment, cheaper goods !Originally Posted by Franconicus
2. Lower wages, or more equal wages throughput the EU at least, this might prompt the need for tax reduction (taxes on wages at least) which will force our bloated government to shrink. However, due to the fact that more than half our voters are retired, they will continue to support the draining of funds from the working people, this will lead to a lot of capable people leaving for the newer EU countries. Western Europe will become the EU version of Florida.
3. End striking rights for government workers, seriously attack the power of the unions, lower taxes and/or completely change the way they calculated (In Belgium filling in a tax form is harder than rocket science). Show some guts.
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
IMO there is quit a bit of truth to many of the posts. Globalization, for the US at least is a good thing but it could also be a horrible thing if not kept in check. It has certainly given us more options but it has also weakened us as a country because we are less reliant on ourselves. The part that is most disturbing to me is the fact it has happened so fast, sure it has been happening for years but in the last few, at least in MI, we have suffered major job losses because of it. And although the fat lazy union rapists who have been destroying the price of US manufacturing products for decades (small rant, sorry) had it coming it is a giant economic/job loss for us, and one that will not be recovered in the same manufacturing capacity ever. Basically leaving many very skilled manufacturers without a hope of doing what they are good at and being forced to switch careers into something they will have to learn. Of course we will recover but it will not happen without some painful bumps. In hindsight we should have regulated outsourcing and exporting overseas and south more carefully.![]()
It is kind of like one day the global doors were opened and the factories in the US’s doors were closed.![]()
Thanks America*
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*Translated from the Spanish and Chinese.
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1. All positive. More export.Originally Posted by Franconicus
2. Even more positive. Less smallminded people and more and cheaper products and services.
3. Keep their hands off.
Regardless of having unions the factories will always relocate to the cheaper workforce if the costs of transport is less then the labour cost margin. Big business does not care, it wants a ROI. And it will always be easier to electronically transfer funds then it will be to physically move labour.
If you don't want goods manufactured overseas start supporting your local economy and buy local.
Most of this goodwill stops the moment people figure out that means they have to spend more of their money and they then go and buy cheaper imports.
andOriginally Posted by Goofball
Originally Posted by kanamori
These two statements sum up my thoughts pretty darn well. It has helped the consumer in the United States more then it has hurt the worker. Since they are one in the same. Gobalization of Trade is Capitialism at its best. If we can keep the politicans out of it - it will become even better.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
Absurd.Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
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They'd doom themselves by doing so- it's tricky to fight a war with no economy.
"Don't believe everything you read online."
-Abraham Lincoln
Would you rather have an industrial job, or would you rather be a manager/businessman?
Globalization is also an incentive to avoid war as economies are dependent on one another, and they all know it.
If push comes to shove, the US still has nearly every resource we would ever need.
I am inclined to say it more the other way around, but I see the catch-22. It is what keeps us from war, and w/o money for the nation in question to run, they are just as crippled as we would be except that we have natural resources galore here.Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
And we cancel our debt that they hold. It would hurt them just as much as it would hurt us. If war ever breaks out between China and the United States the economies of both will take a tumble and a beating.Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Who is making this assumption other then yourself.Everyone assumes we will always have this tenuous love-hate relationship with our outsourcing partners, and will fight low-intensity wars with third world countries forever. Those kinds of assumptions get people killed, in the long run.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
MAD = Mutually Assured Debt.
BTW if as long as the USA is friends with Australia, you will find that China or Japan will find it hard to wage a war without gas or iron.
Last edited by Papewaio; 11-16-2005 at 05:30.
Oh I strongly suspect you pulled that comment out of the air. But tell you what - provide some proof that the assumption is constantly used, that gobalization is used to justify cutting Research and Development, and exactly how it is used to talk about the workforce in the gobal market.Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Most of the comments around Gobalization state that it should reduce conflict - not that it will only be 3rd World hot-spots. Outsourcing is part of the gobalization of the market - and that wasn't the assumption you first threw out there. To remind us all exactly what you stated -
Everyone assumes we will always have this tenuous love-hate relationship with our outsourcing partners, and will fight low-intensity wars with third world countries forever. Those kinds of assumptions get people killed, in the long run.
Now some articles that show your comment to incorrect.
http://www.imf.org/external/np/speec...02/092602a.htm
THe first two paragraphs. Read the rest if you care to.
Originally Posted by link
Now I haven't read the full report - but it seems to point out that Research and Development does not take a hit with Gobalization.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nat..._base_book.cfm
Originally Posted by link
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Hell its seen everyday in your pocketbook. Lower prices for consumer goods. If your paying attention to what you buy - you have greater choice of product to select from based upon the price you are willing to pay.
The potential is that gobalization will lead to better products being produced - since in a true gobal marketplace the shoddy goods will no longer be an economical purchase.
Now if we could get the governments out of our back pockets and out of the gobalization process of the market, you would notice it even more.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
That's an easy one. I would rather have an industrial job, actually produce something, and come up with better processes. Managers and businessmen aren't the ones doing that...they are administrators. You can run a company without much in the way of administrators, but you can't make much without the skills folks.Originally Posted by Kanamori
The type of jobs I've been watching flee haven't gone to Mexico, they've gone to China, where it takes many more folks to do the same job that our experienced hands did...but labor is ridiculously cheap. These are skills jobs that require quite a bit of training and education to be a technician or operator.
The problem with the manufacturing flight in the U.S. is that we haven't exported the "old tech" to move onto making newer things as we have in the past. Instead we've largely quit making things. I'm not too impressed by the idea of a parasitic service based economy as a model.
Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.
One might want to try explaining why Toyota just built and is now running a brand new major plant in San Antonio, Texas.
If Gobalization of the market is such a bad thing.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
I agree with Redleg on this. If you raise the standard of living in other nations it will improve things for all of us long term. However, there are caveats. If the standard of living of those on the other side doesn't rise, or if we don't maintain a technical edge (research and development) then we will eventually end up earning closer to what they make now...and that is a very bad thing.
That is why I remain so concerned about the lack of focus on basic research, and funding for development in the U.S. by both govt. and industry. We are running our economy like a cash cow, continuing to scale back research. We are not reinvesting at a strategic level. You can get away with this for a time and appear to be doing great, but eventually you end up with a mature product that folks don't really need anymore, or are not willing to pay much for. Short term gain, long term trap. You can then find yourself following the lead of others who did focus on researching appropriate areas for growth.
Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.
That one is easy. It's that huge tariff on trucks--25%. From what I understand if they build it in the U.S. they can get around the tariff. It is a huge economic incentive to site the plant here.Originally Posted by Redleg
The Tundra is a great truck, beats the hell out of anything I've ever driven by the Big Three. The problem with the big three is complacency, and lack of quality in engineering and manufacturing where they have remained behind the curve. The Big 3's choices of materials, and design flaws have made me shudder many times...like when the accelerator pedal on my Ford broke, or the cam shaft broke on my Plymouth, or when my Ford's alternator harness went south (poor choice of plastic for an engine bay) 45 minutes back on a trail in the mountains of West Texas, or when I drive down the road noticing that GM/Chrylser/Ford tail lights are quite often out, while my Japanese cars tail lights very rarely fail. The Big 3 also have traditionally accepted shoddy fit and finish that just won't fly with the Japanese consumer.
The Big Three have been very slow about improving quality, it has literally taken decades to catch up. Yet it isn't the American worker that is the problem, as U.S. built Japanese cars have shown for at least a decade.
Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.
Toyota 4WDs are the vehicle of choice in exploration (ie real 4WD use) in Australia, Africa and Indonesia.
Hince an examble how to get around tariffs to insure the gobalization of your product. Auto Makers from outside of the United States have figured this portion out. Now what the government needs to do is get out of the protectism of other industries.Originally Posted by Red Harvest
I still like my GMC pickup truck better then the Toyota. However its an older truck.The Tundra is a great truck, beats the hell out of anything I've ever driven by the Big Three. The problem with the big three is complacency, and lack of quality in engineering and manufacturing where they have remained behind the curve. The Big 3's choices of materials, and design flaws have made me shudder many times...like when the accelerator pedal on my Ford broke, or the cam shaft broke on my Plymouth, or when my Ford's alternator harness went south (poor choice of plastic for an engine bay) 45 minutes back on a trail in the mountains of West Texas, or when I drive down the road noticing that GM/Chrylser/Ford tail lights are quite often out, while my Japanese cars tail lights very rarely fail. The Big 3 also have traditionally accepted shoddy fit and finish that just won't fly with the Japanese consumer.
The Toyota Highlander I bought my wife is a good vehicle - better then anything the Big Three make.
Nope - its been resting on their past market names - soon to by surprised by Toyota and other automakers because of the poor product improvements and quality.The Big Three have been very slow about improving quality, it has literally taken decades to catch up. Yet it isn't the American worker that is the problem, as U.S. built Japanese cars have shown for at least a decade.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
[QUOTE=Franconicus]
Can I say simply bad?1. How has G effected your country?Even worst? If there's no proper method implement to achieve real globalization, and not just this laughable fiction that we live today.2. What effects do you think will come in the future?
You mean politicians? I want them to leave. They'll do what they want anyway. But if you're talking about idealistic wishes, then, I want them not to accept globalization, close economic frontiers (one of the best ways to change the culture), develop internal economy and then in the long term open it again.3. What do you want your politics to do about it?
If I can say a very personal opinion here, the thing is clear, real, material, globalization cannot be achived as long as there exists an state, or we separate by nation, or race, or social classes.
Born On The Flames
man, your such ;l a downer.
Yep, and for a number of folks in Texas too...Originally Posted by Papewaio
Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.
It's close to Mexico.....Originally Posted by Redleg
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