US admits using white phosphorous as incendiary in Fallujah

[Fragony]

You are right. Europe used to follow the US too long. Now they are not able to act on their own. But things can change. How much has changed the last 25 year.
I am a cold war kid and to me the US and its army still stands for freedom and democracy. However, I see that things have changed. The US are so used of fighting that they cannot see that the war is over.
And Merkel! If she wants to make love to the US it is fine. She can go there and stay there if she wants

Of course we do, remember who your friends are, even the best friends have their issues from time to time. And our friends they are, here look,



That is what it took for us to have this argument.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Always the same silly arguing. I'm fairly sure the Iraqi insurgency/AQ members are excusing their acts with the same argument. Way to go if you want foreign people to love america

The same silly argument trying to compare our actions with those of the insurgents.If we used their tactics this would all be over by now.

Well IMHO, its attitudes like yours that Cause situations where people get killed,

Its unfortunate that People hold Ignorant beliefs about life and How it is able to be taken away,

Lets just hope that people with your mental comprehention of desctruction and death dont ever get in to situations of power,

Its 1 thing to die,
Its a nother thing to live in pain and mizery for a nother 50 years becous some 1 said Who cares its a fight.

I supose ignorance is bliss,
Just a shame that i cant have the same ignorance on the matter as you seem to hold,

Its quite impressive

Look Ive been to war and seen the faces of the dead. It is you who wallow in ignorance. I have no callous attitude towards war but I know the true harsh reality of it.

Your cynism and arrogance is unbearable.

Im neither. Thats a fact. I dont like the fact that so many people died. But it did indeed save far more lives than it cost. You see I unlike many of you live in the real world.

That is the reasons why the other nation do not want to follow the US any longer. Rules are made by the weak to keep the strong under control. They do it because there are usually so much more weak ones.

Well youve just pretty much described the UN and why it cant function.

[Franconicus]

Im neither. Thats a fact. I dont like the fact that so many people died. But it did indeed save far more lives than it cost. You see I unlike many of you live in the real world.

You'd like to discuss Hiroshima?

[Watchman]

So now it's down to the good old "the end justifies the means" again ? The favourite logic of the terrorist, the zealot and the tyrant. Well, that may indeed be so, at least when the dice are down; but don't expect the posteriety to like it.

[Redleg]

You'd like to discuss Hiroshima?

Sure - go right ahead. You might be surprised if you are not aware of all the reasons behind the decision. But if you have not read Truman's papers - don't bother to discuss it with me.

[Franconicus]

Sure - go right ahead. You might be surprised if you are not aware of all the reasons behind the decision. But if you have not read Truman's papers - don't bother to discuss it with me.

Oh Redleg,
Of course I see the dominance of your erudition and I would never dare to challenge you. Further more I know that my knowledge of spoken and written English is insufficient and so I won't bother you.

I only dared to ask Gawain for this exchange of arguments and hoped he would let me learn from his superior argumentations.

P.S.: The little I know about nukes is from university and my military service in a nuke unit.

[Redleg]

Oh Redleg,
Of course I see the dominance of your erudition and I would never dare to challenge you. Further more I know that my knowledge of spoken and written English is insufficient and so I won't bother you.

I only dared to ask Gawain for this exchange of arguments and hoped he would let me learn from his superior argumentations.

P.S.: The little I know about nukes is from university and my military service in a nuke unit.

I spent over 15 years in the Artillery (total combination of National Guard, Reserves, and Active) during that time I had over 8 years was with special weapons training.

Assembly, firing, destruction of the weapon, transportation, and effects. Plus extensive NBC training both the short and the long course. I have written several papers on the subject for both School and Military.

To adequately discuss the use of the weapons on Japan - you have to have studied some of the documents at the Truman Library - and some from the Japanese War archives. Most are available on the web in one form or another.

If your just after the emotional appeal argument of the morality of the use of the weapons - even that requires a little research into the archives.

[Franconicus]

I spent over 15 years in the Artillery (total combination of National Guard, Reserves, and Active) during that time I had over 8 years was with special weapons training.

Assembly, firing, destruction of the weapon, transportation, and effects. Plus extensive NBC training both the short and the long course. I have written several papers on the subject for both School and Military.

To adequately discuss the use of the weapons on Japan - you have to have studied some of the documents at the Truman Library - and some from the Japanese War archives. Most are available on the web in one form or another.

If your just after the emotional appeal argument of the morality of the use of the weapons - even that requires a little research into the archives.

Redleg,
Once more, I have no problem to accept the dominance of your erudition! To me the use of nukelar weapons against towns is a terrible crime. However, I know that there are many people who think the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were right. Even Ser Clegane, who I think is a very integer person. So I was looking forward to discuss this topic with you and others who share your point of view and learn new arguments.

But I see that I do not have the right to bother you. I will take your advice and search the net.