US admits using white phosphorous as incendiary in Fallujah

[Tribesman]

Calling smoke and incedenary muntions chemical warfare is along the same lines as my strawman above - which you correctly identified - but seems you can't not recongize in your own writings.
Not at all , if the munition is used as it is specified to be used then that is conventional , if however it is used to exploit the caustic/toxic properties of the chemicals contained then it is indeed chemical warfare , even if it is only to scare the people by those properties .And using it in civilian areas is indeed a war crime even if you havn't signed up to the latest protocols as it is in earlier protocals that have been signed .
Shake and Bake falls into the latter .
Still on the bandwagon Red, and I ain't jumping off till there are answers , it will be a long ride , it's lucky I bought a picnic for the hayride.

What chemical warfare - I have fired smoke in combat and training. I have fired incendaries in training and in combat.

Didn't you write somewhere about the effects of Mustard on soldiers on the training grounds , was that all residual?
Its CS that is used ,common name is Tear gas.

A variant of , Tear gas/CS isn't a blister agent is it , mouth and eye protection are sufficient to counter that .

Been around worse at Dugway -

yeah , same as , and that was at a defense contractor rather than a defense establishment , this crap is in all sorts of unusual places isn't it , it does freak you out a little when men in funny spacesuits start rounding you up for decontamination don't it .

[Redleg]

Calling smoke and incedenary muntions chemical warfare is along the same lines as my strawman above - which you correctly identified - but seems you can't not recongize in your own writings.
Not at all , if the munition is used as it is specified to be used then that is conventional , if however it is used to exploit the caustic/toxic properties of the chemicals contained then it is indeed chemical warfare , even if it is only to scare the people by those properties .And using it in civilian areas is indeed a war crime even if you havn't signed up to the latest protocols as it is in earlier protocals that have been signed .

Tsk Tsk

Shake and Bake falls into the latter

Actually the way the article described the effects is correct - however the targeting was not how I learned that fire mission. The bake was to set the fuel on fire on the T72 and T62 tanks, have to cracked the fuel tanks on the back.
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Still on the bandwagon Red, and I ain't jumping off till there are answers , it will be a long ride , it's lucky I bought a picnic for the hayride.

Well as long as you want to use Strawman arguements - I will use them in return

What chemical warfare - I have fired smoke in combat and training. I have fired incendaries in training and in combat.

Didn't you write somewhere about the effects of Mustard on soldiers on the training grounds , was that all residual?

I believe that is what I stated - that it remains on the ground and 50 years later was still effecting soldiers if they walked through it and kicked up dust.

Its CS that is used ,common name is Tear gas.

A variant of , Tear gas/CS isn't a blister agent is it , mouth and eye protection are sufficient to counter that .

Nope Tear Gas/CS is used to create confidence in the NBC protective gear.

Been around worse at Dugway -

yeah , same as , and that was at a defense contractor rather than a defense establishment , this crap is in all sorts of unusual places isn't it , it does freak you out a little when men in funny spacesuits start rounding you up for decontamination don't it .

No what is worse is when you see the sign and don't pay attention - like I watched a young LT do when I was a private.... The Military Police were not very nice to him...

[Tribesman]

The bake was to set the fuel on fire on the T72 and T62 tanks, have to cracked the fuel tanks on the back

Were there many russian made tanks deployed in Fallujah ?

Nope Tear Gas/CS is used to create confidence in the NBC protective gear.

But as it isn't effective on skin how does that work ?????Its like saying heres a snorkel you can breath in the water when you are swimming , now lets swim down to the Titanic .

No what is worse is when you see the sign and don't pay attention
Ah but there was no signs for either the gas rounds or the radioactive material that had been dumped and forgotten about, it turned their profitable redevolopments into very expensive liabilities .

[Redleg]

The bake was to set the fuel on fire on the T72 and T62 tanks, have to cracked the fuel tanks on the back

Were there many russian made tanks deployed in Fallujah ?

Nope - but the terms used do not constitute chemical warfare because the muntion was used as an incedary, and a smoke muntion.

Nope Tear Gas/CS is used to create confidence in the NBC protective gear.

But as it isn't effective on skin how does that work ?????Its like saying heres a snorkel you can breath in the water when you are swimming , now lets swim down to the Titanic .

But on the NBC gear - and you will find out. And that is funny that it doesn't work on skin - it seemed to make mine skin itch slightly.

No what is worse is when you see the sign and don't pay attention
Ah but there was no signs for either the gas rounds or the radioactive material that had been dumped and forgotten about, it turned their profitable redevolopments into very expensive liabilities .

You have never been to Dugway have you? THere signs where they tested the muntions, there are signs where the muntions were stored (and later removed, but the signs remained.)

But some places they did remove the signs - but who's fault was that - the government or a private agency?

[Tribesman]

the muntion was used as an incedary, and a smoke muntion.

Really , I thought it was being used for psycological warfare , what category does that fit into ?
Besides which what is that litle thing about using incendiaries against civilian areas ? oh yeah thats a no no just like torture , unless you are refusing to say that it is a no no , eh .

it seemed to make mine skin itch slightly.

Ah a slight dermatological irritant for sensative skin types , I thought you were more thick skinned than that Red Or are you talking about the NBC gear ? Be specific dammit , it can lead to Laurel and Hardy type discussions

[Redleg]

the muntion was used as an incedary, and a smoke muntion.

Really , I thought it was being used for psycological warfare , what category does that fit into ?
Besides which what is that litle thing about using incendiaries against civilian areas ? oh yeah thats a no no just like torture , unless you are refusing to say that it is a no no , eh .

Never said it wasn't a problem - just that it is not a chemical weapon.

Psycological warfare is legal by the way.....

it seemed to make mine skin itch slightly.

Ah a slight dermatological irritant for sensative skin types , I thought you were more thick skinned than that Red Or are you talking about the NBC gear ? Be specific dammit , it can lead to Laurel and Hardy type discussions

The CS - you have to take your mask off in the chamber - not only did it burn the crap out of my eyes, made my nose run - like a waterfall, along with my eyes tearing up so quickly that I could not see, and my neck itched like hell as soon as the protection came off.

It was quite unpleasant - one of the many reasons I stay away from riots - CS just sucks to be near for me.

[Adrian II]

(..) it is not a chemical weapon.

Yes it is.