best army

[Brenus]

“You never succeeded in invading the US. We sent your Mercenaries packing along with the british and you never took any land from us.” I am a little bit late in the debate, but correct me if I am wrong: Wasn’t around 7000 French soldiers along side the 7500 American soldiers in Yorktown. Wasn’t the French fleet which defeated the British fleet? The American without the French Siege Artillery would have bib problem to take the town. And without the French fleet, they would have been unable to protect their main towns.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I'm going to have to add here that America and France weren't the only ones fighting in the war. Vermont was also at war, that's right the Republic of Vermont or whatever the state was called back then. Vermont was not only holding off New Yorkers and New Hampshirites who wanted these green hills, but Vermont soldiers were also instrumental in stoppingt Burgoyne's advance. In the battle of Bennington Green Mountain Boys led by Ethan Allen iirc reinforced Seth Green's New Hampshire militia who were desperately tryng to hold off Hessian cavalry who were out trying to steal supplies which were housed where the Bennington Monument is now.

The Battle of Bennington denied Burgoyne crucial supplies and along with less heated guerilla actions taken by Vermont militias his advance was slowed and his army drained of supplies. This led fairly directly to his defeat at Saratoga, which convinced the French that America was not a lost cause.

Bow down before Vermont, not a signatory of the Dec. of Independence or Constituion (Constitution might have been signed by VT when it entered the Union, but anyway) but savior of the Union nonetheless.

Yeah it's a bit of a stretch, but not too much of one.


Wait what was the point of this post? Oh right, it was proving that it wasn't only the French who were instrumental in assisting America in its fight for independence.

EDIT: Yes VT is now a member of the Union, but at the time it was just a bunch of smelly mountain men and probably various Indian tribes in a contested territory.

[Abokasee]

the undead....nuff said

[Incongruous]

Spartans in RTW!

[AntiochusIII]

This entire topic swiftly comes to rest in its inevitable place of a discussion about who has the biggest d*ck. That gun side discussion is the only thing worth reading here.

Violence...does not solve everything in the world, unless you're watching End of Evangelion or Troy, two very different examples.

[Ice]

The United States of America I feel has the best army.

It's manufacturing capabilities coupled with numbers, advanced technology and nuclear capabilities.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/ranking.asp

[yesdachi]

Neat site. True but perhaps a little bias, I liked it. There are a lot of details if one clicks the country links.

[Fragony]

USA has the biggest army, but I think Israel has the best. They have perfected german Blitz tactics and have the most experience a soldier because of the ongoing conflict. But most european countries have well trained armies as well, Belgium and Austria probably have the best guns untill USA has perfected their OICW (which is really a modded german HK36)

[Telys]

All I know is that china has the largest navy.

[BigTex]

All I know is that china has the largest navy.

China's blue water navy.

[BDC]

Best or most powerful? Or largest even.

[Ice]

All I know is that china has the largest navy.

Source? This site says otherwise.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_ships.asp

It appears we have 1866 total ships while China has 284.

[Justiciar]

I don't think there is a "best" army out there, tbh. Most armies are built on a similar model, though some are better equipped, others better trained, and others have countless troops to throw around. Personally I'd say the Chinese, but only because they scare the shit out of me. I've heard it said the the Israeli army is the best around.. can't seem to shoot properly though. I'd like to say the British army is up there with the best forces around, but in all honesty.. it just isn't. I'd say that ultimately the influence of the state is the most important factor.

[KrooK]

Now - Israel
Their army keep fighing
When they have to practise something they attacks Palestina

[Telys]

Source? This site says otherwise.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_ships.asp

It appears we have 1866 total ships while China has 284.

I can't definetely tell you whos navy is bigger, I'm going off information thats like 5-10 years old. Still I refuse to believe that china releases accurate military information to anybody, so basically my question is who is global firepower's source?

[spmetla]

In a war with China the US wins no problem. The USAF and Navy would control the seas and skies over China. Stealth bombers can hit deep targets with ease and criple Chinese Infrastructure and Industry. The Chinese Army is large but I think dealing with China would be like Iraq in Desert Storm, bomb them until they are small enough for the army to deal with. The Chinese Army isn't capable of waging war if they have no heavy equipment, supplies, or lines of communication. The Chinese would lose all their ability to take the initiative in a fight. The best they could do is team up with North Korea and take the penisula and threaten Taiwan and Japan.

I don't think the US would even dare to occupy China, just get a military victory and go for peace.
Of course if/when the war goes nuclear boths sides would lose regardless of the fighting war's outcome.

As for the US vs Brit bit. I think I'd also go for the Brits on part of average soldier quality. The elite Forces and such are never comparable on either side so you need to stack up average Infantrymen, Tankers, and Artillerymen against each other and right now I think that the Brits train harder and get better base level soldiers. The US is softening up it's basic training too much because of recruiting failures. Also there seems to be a lack of seriousness that the US takes it's training with it all seems half assed, at least what I've seen. There's a trend of overrelying on technology. It's my personal believe that too many junior officer rely on their qualitative advantage instead of tactics.
And when it comes to dealing with insurgents I'd also give you guys the "gold" (there used to be tank olympics in canda!) because of your experiences after WWII in your former colonies and of course Ireland as well.

I'd put USAF Fighter pilots against RAF pilots any day though, more experience and still really good training. I'm not taking the technological advantage in account either. Do you Brits think the Eurofighter is really the right plane for you guys? If/when the Joint Strike Fighter ever finishes isn't it expect to outperform the Eurofighter?

As for armor, I realize the Leopard 2 tank is one of the best tanks out there but does it really stack up against the Challenger and Abrams. I thought the Chobham armor plus Depleted Uranium and other composites would make it be way to underarmoured for the MBT role. In all other aspects it's got the latest everthing though, curious as to how these three tanks' respective internal electronics compare. The various thermal sights, stabilation systems and so on.
The Leopard 2 is also yet to see combat right? I'm really curious to see how this tank fares seeing as it's being adopted by several countries over the Abrams (wonder if they just don't want to deal with DU armor).

Oh yeah, one of buddies used to be in the Berlin Brigade and he said that when ever they trained with the Brits you guys would "cheat" and use rubber bullets instead of blanks like it was supposedly agreed upon which would just lead to fights afterward. I myself wish the US would use rubber bullets more often but when training both sides need them.

[Husar]

The flu, it invades a whole lot of countries every year again and again...

[Atilius]

Of course if/when the war goes nuclear boths sides would lose regardless of the fighting war's outcome.

Not necessarily. This article in the March/April issue of Foreign Affairs claims that the US has now or soon will achieve first strike capability against Russia and China.

[EDIT: Fix screwed-up URL]

[yesdachi]

Best Army, hummm... US? no, Isreal? no, China?, no, Mexico!Yep!

The Mexican army has managed to sneak 12 million operatives into the US and we haven’t been able to catch a single one of them. They have almost gained amnesty and I fear any day now they will reveal themselves as a crack military team bent on the destruction of the US “Remember Santa Anna!, Remember Santa Anna!”.




To hear this message in Spanish press “1” now.

[VAE VICTUS]

since im an american ill say USA ALL THE WAY! but the dead, they are the mightiest army of all. or something. its late.

[AntiochusIII]

Best Army, hummm... US? no, Isreal? no, China?, no, Mexico!Yep!

The Mexican army has managed to sneak 12 million operatives into the US and we haven’t been able to catch a single one of them. They have almost gained amnesty and I fear any day now they will reveal themselves as a crack military team bent on the destruction of the US “Remember Santa Anna!, Remember Santa Anna!”.




To hear this message in Spanish press “1” now.

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[Press] 1 [/Press]

This is America, now speak Spanish!

[Vladimir]

since im an american ill say USA ALL THE WAY! but the dead, they are the mightiest army of all. or something. its late.

How soon we forget. Yesterday we are preparing for the armies of the undead, now we look at the shiny little trinket we found on the street. THE ZOMBIES ARE COMING!