best army

[Ja'chyra]

Yes but there's one huge problem.

See here: http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/SA80.html

You have to disassemble the entire gun in order to get ejection in different directions.

I know that disassembly in China's Type 95 assault rifles is fairly rapid as shown here (probably because they anticipated the reversal issue): [(No image, stupid copyrights)

However, I don't know how rapidly the SA-80A2 can be diassembled for use. I know it probably has more parts and more moving parts than the Type 95, so it would probably take longer, making it an impossibility in combat conditions.

It's a right handed weapon, simple as that, anyone who fires it left handed risks blindness and a good kicking from his NCO's.

[Ianofsmeg16]

So, i think we're agreed, the best army cannot be answered with one answer, man to man with equal numbers the U.K would kick tail, groups of men together the U.S would win, closely follwed (and i mean close) by us limeys, in the numbers game, china would win, Special forces???
not sure but i think the isrealis or the U.K might have it there, actual weaponry? again not sure, but i think the U.S.....please coreect me if i'm wrong :)

[yesdachi]

So, i think we're agreed, the best army cannot be answered with one answer, man to man with equal numbers the U.K would kick tail, groups of men together the U.S would win, closely follwed (and i mean close) by us limeys, in the numbers game, china would win, Special forces???
not sure but i think the isrealis or the U.K might have it there, actual weaponry? again not sure, but i think the U.S.....please coreect me if i'm wrong :)

Sounds about right to me.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Just to refresh you on history. When the Europeans invaded the Americas, you got beaten badly, actually you never succeeded to retake any of your soil and today your culture is European

You never succeeded in invading the US. We sent your Mercenaries packing along with the british and you never took any land from us. And besides I thought according to Europe we have no culture. Of course jazz, blues and baseball are all european. I forget from what nation they were brought to this soil. America has ts own culture thank you and its a lot different than europes.

[Papewaio]

Bmolsson was referring to the American Indians... after all the Americans of now are just transplanted Europeans of olde.

[Tribesman]

Hows life on the Reservation Gawain ? opened any new Casinos lately
Nice one Bmolsson , someone was bound to walk into it

[DemonArchangel]

It's a right handed weapon, simple as that, anyone who fires it left handed risks blindness and a good kicking from his NCO's.

Again, not all corners are left handed corners.....

[Kaiser of Arabia]

wise words!

The question was: What is the best, not the biggest or most destructive?

So to me it is clear that the best army is the army that fulfills its job with minimum of resources spend.

So lets see:
The US? Rediculous overscaled. And hardly able to fulfill their job. Still struggling hard in Iraq and still could not catsch B.L.
China: Far to big. At least they fulfill their job: Defending the country and scaring Taiwan.

I really think that Tachikaze is right. Some smaller armies like Switzerland are doing a very good job.

The less you hear about an army in the new the better it is.

Switzerland, a nation of 8 million people, have about 300,000 men in their Army. That's 3% of their population, which is pretty large compared to alot of other nations (US has 1%, Canada has .3% aprrox).

Another major problem with the US military is not the military, it's the most idiotic commanders since Burnside. Also, the lack of will to send in the amount of men needed for a task also hurts us, majorly.

Occupation is not our forte by a long shot, but that's because we are overcautious when dealing with situations that may require a shoot first, ask questions later attitude. If Kofi Annan and the Gestap...er...UN weren't up our collective butt all the time maybe we'd stand a chance.

So, i think we're agreed, the best army cannot be answered with one answer, man to man with equal numbers the U.K would kick tail,

1 on 1 versus Irish civlians maybe.

Of course we lost both wars.

Due to insufficent manpower to fight England, the US, Russia, and (what was left of) France. Also, in regards to WWII, your leader (Adolf) had the military acumen of your average fly (though a fly could probably beat him), insufficient production capability (unable to produce enough of them Panzer Vs to deal with those damn Sherman Fireflys), and the fact that the troops in France, with the exception of the 2nd Panzer division (and a few others) weren't professional soldiers as much as conscripts and green, unexperienced garrison soldiers.

[Ja'chyra]

Again, not all corners are left handed corners.....

What's your point, ever tried to fire with your off hand? Not exactly accurate is it?

Once the right eye has been trained to dominance it'd be very hard to go back to the left. Therefore everyone is trained to shoot right handed.

Oh, and 83 modifications over 18 years, maybe but how many modification programmes has it gone through, could all the mods have been done in one or two steps? What about the M16, how many mods has that had? Or the SLR?

The claim your site made about not being able to sell them is wrong too, the decision was made not to sell them, yet.

[Franconicus]

Switzerland, a nation of 8 million people, have about 300,000 men in their Army. That's 3% of their population, which is pretty large compared to alot of other nations (US has 1%, Canada has .3% aprrox).

Didn't know that. Isn't the Suisse Army more like your national guard, having only few professionals? Do they really have 300,000 men in service? Then they have an army almost as big as Germany. Didn't Saddam have some 500,000?

Another major problem with the US military is not the military, it's the most idiotic commanders since Burnside. Also, the lack of will to send in the amount of men needed for a task also hurts us, majorly.

Aren't commanders part of the military?

Occupation is not our forte by a long shot, but that's because we are overcautious when dealing with situations that may require a shoot first, ask questions later attitude. If Kofi Annan and the Gestap...er...UN weren't up our collective butt all the time maybe we'd stand a chance.

I did not mean that they intend to stay there for long. But the goals were to
beat Saddams army and get control, right? First goal was reached very fast but they are still working on the second. And maybe they have to stay for a while to reach it.
So my point was that the US army is not completly able to fulfil the job thatthe president (and the US people?) wants them to do.
Regarding the UN: I know we have different oppinions on that. But we discussed that before and don't see a reason to do it here again.

[Somebody Else]

1 on 1 versus Irish civlians maybe.

I know they're only Iraqis... but 5 to 1 odds?

Scots... mental.

[InsaneApache]

Whilst the USA has the advantage of technology and other armed forces have numerical superiority I repeat that the UK armed forces are the best in the World.

SAS, Paras, Guards Regiments, SBS, Gurkas, Royal Marines....reads like a list of hard guys to beat in any situation to me.

I liked the story about the Brits in Iraq teaching the US forces how to search a house.

Brit training Sergeant:Ok Hank show me what you do...

Hank the Yank:Well we approach freakin' the door, Blow the damned door off it's hinges, then we run in firing from the hip. That'll show 'em....

Brit: I see, has anyone ever thought about trying the door handle to see if it's open?

Yank: door handle?!?!? open!?!?...err.....???

hilarious

[Tribesman]

I know they're only Iraqis... but 5 to 1 odds?


well things have changed the current figure the British are putting out is 4 to 1 , but of course the reduction can be out down to the fact that the insurgents are amatuers rather than profesionals so uhhhh.. well at least the British give figures unlike uhhhhh...well..... certain others.
Side note , lesson from the Falklands which was passed on from Aden , Borneo , Malaysia , Korea , Italy , France , Germany .... a bayonet charge against a machine gun can lead to uneccesary casualties But hey they give your widow a medal and put your name in the papers .
Take note King Malcolm in your quest to get your name in the history books

[DemonArchangel]

Whilst the USA has the advantage of technology and other armed forces have numerical superiority I repeat that the UK armed forces are the best in the World.

SAS, Paras, Guards Regiments, SBS, Gurkas, Royal Marines....reads like a list of hard guys to beat in any situation to me.

I liked the story about the Brits in Iraq teaching the US forces how to search a house.

Brit training Sergeant:Ok Hank show me what you do...

Hank the Yank:Well we approach freakin' the door, Blow the damned door off it's hinges, then we run in firing from the hip. That'll show 'em....

Brit: I see, has anyone ever thought about trying the door handle to see if it's open?

Yank: door handle?!?!? open!?!?...err.....???

hilarious

You Brits do realize that most doors are booby trapped and that you enter a house by blowing holes in the walls right?

[Tribesman]

You Brits do realize that most doors are booby trapped and that you enter a house by blowing holes in the walls right?
Ah ....Paranoia at play , them damn Brits have been fighting terrorists/insurgents for centuries , I wonder how many booby trapped doors they have come up against .
Would it be most doors ?
Would it even be most suspect doors ?
If their experience has taught them anything it is that the door isn't the problem , it is probably the hedge at the back of the house that is booby trapped, or more commonly the hedge 2 miles down the road or the road itself .
Would you like to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs DA ?

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

tribesman:
you mean that the Irish don't instinctively attach bombs to their front doors?

Damn, there goes a great Irish joke I was planning.

[Tribesman]

you mean that the Irish don't instinctively attach bombs to their front doors?
Taffy , do the Welsh instinctively attatch fire bombs to English holiday homes front doors ?or do they throw them through the window
Come home to a real fire , buy a holiday home in Wales
Damn , I am showing my age now , thats from back when they used to have such old fashioned things in Wales like coalmines and steelworks

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

nope, that would be the agents provocateur.

We do attach firebombs to our sheep though, keeps the Scots off them.

Edit: who needs coal mines and steel works when you can claim welfare?

[Ja'chyra]

nope, that would be the agents provocateur.

We do attach firebombs to our sheep though, keeps the Scots off them.

Edit: who needs coal mines and steel works when you can claim welfare?

So you can keep them for youeselves eh Taff?????

Tribesman

You're a very bitter person.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Damn right!!!

Flossy's mine you lecherous Jock you.

[Tribesman]

You're a very bitter person.
Only when in England or Wales , unless its the West country when I am a Scrumpy person , in Scotland I tend towards the Heavy which is a bitter or the heather ale which certainly isn't , but yes Bitter is the way to go though some milds or lights are nice but the browns tend to give a bad head , I do like the variety you have over there .
Back home it strictly Porter though

oh since you obviously missed the point it is from an old comedy show featuring Griff Rhys-Jones . so definately anti Welsh
Though the coalmines stuff is definately bitterly anti Thatcher/McGregor and you will find that bitterness spread very widely throughout your country for some strange reason

[Tribesman]

Flossy's mine you lecherous Jock you.
I love my lovely Flossy ,
She has such a fluffy fleece ,
In the kitchen keep a woman ,
In the bedroom keep a sheep .

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Bmolsson was referring to the American Indians... after all the Americans of now are just transplanted Europeans of oldeBmolsson was referring to the American Indians... after all the Americans of now are just transplanted Europeans of olde

No kidding. And all americans of now are not just transplanted Europeans of olde. Far from it. Also the Indians werent the first one here,. Europeans were. In fact the French. Or so I hear.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Tribesman, sometimes you're a man after my own heart(the flossy ditty).


Although you'd probably need to be fluffier...


Edit: and say "bah bah bah" or "meh meh meh" (I'm not prejudiced when it comes to sheep)

[Tribesman]

Well I did try and fit in last month when I was over in Wales , I had my sheepskin and my wellies (funny aside , In one pub someone mentioned someone from another pub "you know the one who wears wellies" "what do you mean , they all wear wellies in the Dorralt") But I was fitting in quite nicely until one morning I had coco-pops for beakfast , they tried to burn me as a witch , he has turned the milk brown you see , thats witch craft is it , you are in league with beelzebub is it .

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

must be quite an excursion with the coco pops and everything.

I know you can't get them in Ireland because they upset the fairies.

And I know nobody in Ireland would dare upset the fairies.

You crazy papists you. :)

[Tribesman]

You crazy papists you.

Shhhh don't upset the Pope , he used to be a Nazi , but its OK now he wears Prada shoes

[InsaneApache]

LOL funny guys ...but talk about a thread hi-jack!!!!!!

Oh and the heavy in Scotland is atrocious, personally I only drink the whisky up in the hinterlands

And leave that welsh tart alone ....bloody romans..

[VAE VICTUS]

The smallest army is the best army.

The winner is the one who spends the least on its military and more on its social health.

and then are run over by their neighbors who have been building their army for years...lol

[Franconicus]

VV,
do not know where you live. But Germany is traditionally a very dangerous place, right in the middle of Europe. Nevertheless I do not have to fear any of our neighbors. Even if we would have no army at all, I doubt that the Austrians or Dutch would invade us. (Well, of course the Dutch do invade us every year, but we do the same to them, and to the Austrians, Italians, Spanish ... ).

I think good diplomacy and being good neighbor is more important than strong military. In fact Germany had the biggest wars when it had the strongets armies.

So small army and a moderate 'my country first' policy, some common sense and humanity - that is all it takes.