Why Facism is compulsed to die

[Stefan the Berserker]

The basic three ideological Elements of Fascism are pooled Nationalism, Militarism and Chauvinism, while it is philosophically based on Nihilism. Resulting in the pratice of Social Darwinism (domestic politics) and Imperialism (foreign politics).

The leadership of the Axis Nations interpreted the second worldwar as a final battle in which the supreme peoples would defeat the inferior peoples and of course supreme facist ideology would defeat "reactionary" democratism and marxist bolshevism.

However it happened the other way around: Facism has prooven to be the inferior System and had been destroyed by its opponents in Warefare. After 1975, when the franquist Gouverment collapsed, Facism as a stateform ceased.

Based on this disaster I'll explain to major problem of Neo-Nazism in a very provocative form: Why should a person who believes in its own supremacy and those of its nation favor to establish a defeated political system which was practiced by... inferior nations...

Based on this proof of weakness, the absolute right-wing of the Intellectual society which favors ideals of selfsupremacy and malthusian Doctrines (however switched to favor "new alternatives") ended consideration of facism as a stateform which removed the whole intelligent leadership of Facism. The lost of the most vital resource for any political movement.

Secondly: Yes, it is the Facist Ideology which must be blamed for the defeat of the Axis in the second Worldwar. The Facist Ideology includes exraged Chauvinism, which is unsuitable for any political leadership.

"Know thy enemy and know thyself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know thyself but not thy enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not thyself, wallow in defeat everytime." - Sūn Zi

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." - Sūn Zi

Through the dogmatic believe in the supremacy of himself and his people, a facist is unable to make a rational decsision whenever to rate the risk of a military operation. However Hitler took the Title of GröFaZ ("Greatest Warlord of All Times"), he was the most useless one unlike Mussolini and Tojo. In any important decsision, the Ideology forced to withdraw rationalism and proclaim supremacy under all conditions. Thus lead to the German Invasion of the Soviet Union and the Japanese Bombing of Pearl Harbour, irrational and senseless actions which were absolutely unimportant to the strategic interessts of the Nations.

Very interessting for this case is Downfall, where it can be clearly seen how Hitler refuses to accept defeat, commands Ghostdevisions and handles his Generals like stupid schoolboys. Proclaiming the supremacy of Germany, then switching to blame Germany as beeing an inferior Nation unable to bring the necessary efford for the realisation of his supreme ideals. The conclusion it could be his fault... never! He dies with the thought he was supreme and the disasterous development was the fault of others, while all who warned of this development were pushed out of Office or beeing killed.

This way Italo Balbo payed his criticism on Mussolini with his Blood, Heinz Guderian, Gerd von Rundstedt and Yamamoto Isoroku beeing simply ingnored.

Finally we come to the Result...

Thus Spake Zarathustra: "Adolf has once been my student, but he was a failure. Unable to know thy enemy, unable to know himself, he wallowed in defeat everytime. So once upon I'll turn and dance on his grave, then spread my seed in hearts of those who overcame him. Facism has been overcome and placing belief or faith in anything transcendental is foolish and would lead to the failure of man's attempt to become Übermensch."

[Adrian II]

[i]Thus Spake Zarathustra: "Adolf has once been my student, but he was a failure. Unable to know thy enemy and unable to know himself, he wallowed in defeat everytime. So once upon I'll turn and dance on his grave, then spread my seed in hearts of those who overcame him. Fascism has been overcome and placing belief or faith in anything transcendental is foolish and would lead to the failure of man's attempt to become Übermensch."

Some of what you write seems a bit too ambitious for a Backroom post and I am not sure I agree to it, but the gist of your post is interesting and the Zarathustra paraphrase is brilliant, my friend.

[Stefan the Berserker]

Some of what you write seems a bit too ambitious for a Backroom post and I am not sure I agree to it, but the gist of your post is interesting and the Zarathustra paraphrase is brilliant, my friend.

Well, it takes some time to undestand it. I appoint to follow the Wikipedia-links, they are very useful.

[Strike For The South]

Wow thats really good. You should be on talk radio. Really well thought out. You deserve a piece of hard candy *Takes out carmel*

[Byzantine Prince]

Nice post, what does Zarathustra have to do with this. The Ubermench is the Dionysian Artist, not an insane dictator.

[Rodion Romanovich]

The fascist ideology is doomed to destroy it's followers because seeing others as inferior and wanting to destroy them or claim supremacy over them, sometimes after a diplomatic fake alliance or non-violence pact, creates enemies both among those they have quarrel with, and almost all others. Everyone wants to see the death of a nation that wants to see others dead or dominated in the end. While fear may deter their actions, the neutrals will eventually all join the effort of destroying such a person in the end. Only a fool would remain allied to a powerful nation with it's ultimate goal to destroy or conquer all of it's neighbors. This basic chauvinistic idea has existed numerous times in history but under different names.

As for Hitler's refusal to admit defeat and not avoiding to open many fronts at once, this might have more to do with the psycological and sociological situation he was in. He had played the strong saviour who would conquer all enemies of Germany, so he couldn't suddenly turn soft in any way in front of the others. He had also lived through a childhood of failures, refusals and bullying of different kinds, and couldn't handle another defeat. I think the Downfall and other theories are inaccurate attempts at making a mystical thing of a simple psycological process of breakdown of an unfortunate man who unfortunately happened to end up dictator. He didn't turn mad because he was inspired by fascism and philosophy, he grew a hatred against the entire world and desperately sought a way of finding happiness and safety, but found nothing. Philosophy and political ideologies are natural and common points for an uncertain doubtful young man to end up. He was already mad when he read these things, and made his own interpretations. The seeing himself as superior to all others was a natural defensive mechanism for a person in that situation. It happened that a chauvinistic misconception of darwinism, and a misconception of Nietzsche's uber-mench circulated in the society at that time.

And to finish up: darwinism and Nietzsche have little or nothing to do with fascism. Darwinism if studied properly is probably the strongest proof we have of why fascism, racism, nazism and similar ideologies are stupid, and it was a popular misconcepted version of Nietzsche's works that the nazis were inspired by.

[Adrian II]

(..) it was a popular misconcepted version of Nietzsche's works that the nazis were inspired by.

Hence the nice paraphrase that our SauPreusse gave of Nietzsche, in which Zarathustra dances on the grave of his erstwhile student.

[Byzantine Prince]

The fascist ideology is doomed to destroy it's followers because seeing others as inferior and wanting to destroy them or claim supremacy over them, sometimes after a diplomatic fake alliance or non-violence pact, creates enemies both among those they have quarrel with, and almost all others. Everyone wants to see the death of a nation that wants to see others dead or dominated in the end. While fear may deter their actions, the neutrals will eventually all join the effort of destroying such a person in the end. Only a fool would remain allied to a powerful nation with it's ultimate goal to destroy or conquer all of it's neighbors. This basic chauvinistic idea has existed numerous times in history but under different names.

Fallacy.
Fascist nations were strong partners. The reason the US joined in was not because they sensed some immenent fear from Germany but because Japan was allied to the Germans. Nazi Germany's cause was not to destroy all ethnicities, it was to eradicated the non-Aryan ones and give others their fascist governments under the protection of greater Germany, which was did not include everything they conqoured. Note France's Vichy state, and the even some non aryans like the Croatian fascists.

Hence the nice paraphrase that our SauPreusse gave of Nietzsche, in which Zarathustra dances on the grave of his erstwhile student.

Student? I doubt the idiot ever read a single one of his books.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Fallacy.
Fascist nations were strong partners. The reason the US joined in was not because they sensed some immenent fear from Germany but because Japan was allied to the Germans. Nazi Germany's cause was not to destroy all ethnicities, it was to eradicated the non-Aryan ones and give others their fascist governments under the protection of greater Germany, which was did not include everything they conqoured. Note France's Vichy state, and the even some non aryans like the Croatian fascists.

First of all nazi Germany fell so early that they hadn't had enough time to show themselves as alliance breakers and show their long-term plan. Such developments take time, sometimes a hundred years or more. Germany also managed to hide some of these ideologies and make them look like they weren't serious for a very long time. Another thing which made many want to ally with Germany was their military strength and that the Germans actually also threatened other "bad guys" which troubled them. The enemy of your enemy is your friend, at least for a while. If I'm not mistaken this was the case with Croatia. In the short term all alliances are formed based on mutual interests and turncoat philosophy to avoid fighting, but if repeatedly a strong nation rewards it's allies by conquering them, resistance will eventually develop. Any nation will of course want to see the destruction of such a nation, but they want to remain allied to the nation until it's certain that nation will fall. The strong empires with hidden agendas to conquer everything of course want to make it look to each ally like the other allies being conquered is something that won't happen to them, just an exception from the ordinary. Germany was in many way successful in hiding such intentions. And the fact that they counted most Europeans as part of the guys they planned to give benefits.

[QwertyMIDX]

Stephan have you read Philip Bobbitt?

[Byzantine Prince]

Any nation will of course want to see the destruction of such a nation, but they want to remain allied to the nation until it's certain that nation will fall. The strong empires with hidden agendas to conquer everything of course want to make it look to each ally like the other allies being conquered is something that won't happen to them, just an exception from the ordinary. Germany was in many way successful in hiding such intentions. And the fact that they counted most Europeans as part of the guys they planned to give benefits.

Hence your fallacy. You have no evidence of Germany attacking another (allied) fascist nation. Your argument is not properly supported therefore you are wrong.

[Red Harvest]

Shouldn't the title be "compelled" rather than "compulsed?"

[Rodion Romanovich]

Hence your fallacy. You have no evidence of Germany attacking another (allied) fascist nation. Your argument is not properly supported therefore you are wrong.

I spoke generally about a fascist strategy resulting in that eventually. Nazi Germany never survived that long, thus it would be a fallacy to say nazi Germany fell for that reason.

[QwertyMIDX]

Fascist nations were strong partners. The reason the US joined in was not because they sensed some immenent fear from Germany but because Japan was allied to the Germans. Nazi Germany's cause was not to destroy all ethnicities, it was to eradicated the non-Aryan ones and give others their fascist governments under the protection of greater Germany, which was did not include everything they conqoured. Note France's Vichy state, and the even some non aryans like the Croatian fascists.

Also, the US went to war with Germany because it declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.