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    Erasing the past...
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    "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
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    Four stage strategy from Yes, Minister:
    Stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
    Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
    Stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
    Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.

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    On the playstyles, what are the rules for the changes in styles as a game progresses?

    e.g. early campaign start has this for Almohads:

    SetBehaviour:: FN_ALMOHAD MUSLIM_PEACEFUL

    But what determines when the switch to another behaviour such as DESPERATE_DEFENCE or MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST.
    Also what behaviours can factions switch to,
    e.g. Can a MUSLIM_PEACEFUL become a
    MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST ?

    This info will make a great difference to unit and building construction priorities.

    How much of a difference is there between a PEACEFUL faction and an EXPANSIONIST?
    e.g. Danish are Expansionist but don't seem to move at all in early campaign even into rebel provinces and Alomhad's are PEACEFUL but try to invade everywhere?
    Is there possibly an error here and the Peaceful and Expansion code got switched around ?

    Sorry if any of this has been covered but missed a few days due to new heir being born, and searching back for this exact info is a little tricky.




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    Yes the Danes are inexplicably poor at expanding out if their single province at that start of the early period.

    It might be like STW where the initial personalities were only for the starting Daimyos and each heir as they came to the throne were assigned randomly selected personalities. Therefore in theory the personality of a faction could change quite drastically over the years!?

    You'd need the verification from one of the CA guys to be sure on this though.

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    Maybe it would be to try making the switch of EXPANTIONIST and PEACEFUL...

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    Erasing the past...
    Last edited by spmetla; 04-26-2008 at 03:12.

    "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
    -Abraham Lincoln


    Four stage strategy from Yes, Minister:
    Stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
    Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
    Stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
    Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.

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    spmetla, how and why does that make a difference? And just exactly what difference does it make?
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    Magister Vitae Senior Member Kraxis's Avatar
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    They build boats and attack from the sea???

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    Erasing the past...
    Last edited by spmetla; 04-26-2008 at 03:12.

    "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
    -Abraham Lincoln


    Four stage strategy from Yes, Minister:
    Stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
    Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
    Stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
    Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.

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    i'm working my way forward from the last page of threads,

    if anyone has any more comments to add to this thread about how the AI players act and expand depending on which setting you use,
    then email me
    barocca_X@hotmail.com
    and i will reopen this thread,

    if this has been covered in another thread, by all means give me a yell, and a link to the thread,
    and i'll combine the lot into one.

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    Hello Barocca,

    I've been working on one single MTW campaign for weeks, and by now
    all of my time is dedicated to the fine-tuning of the map.
    This basically means running it (as fn_papist) and looking at AI
    behaviour - over and over again. Then tweak something and recycle.
    Must have runned it about a hundred times now for ~30 turns.

    I haven't seen spectacular differences in AI behaviour either. These
    settings are probably more related to building than expanding.
    But from what I've seen, the AI's expansion is GREATLY influenced
    by:
    - A combination of the target region's income & the strength of its
    defenders.
    - A random factor.

    Raising or lowering region income and/or rebel armies will make a
    region more or less a target for invasion.

    Probably I'm telling nothing new, but this is the best way to tune
    and with patience you can make it tick the way you want.

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    I can't give you the exact details now because I am at home. It is not possible to add any new behaviour, some not everything has been moved into text files, some modders of warlords may remember invasion thresholds text file? For some un explained resons those have been hardwired into the code.

    The styles listed in startpos files are the default behaviour of each factions, there are a set of rules the switch away to another one, but if non of the rule applies then it uses the default. Rules include money status, comparative man power compared with your neighbours. Other less generic rules include things like being crusaded against will switch a islamic faction to being devoted.

    > Sweden but for some reason never take Norway.
    That's probably due to the fact that Norway has very little income, it doesn't lead to anywhere, and has few trade goods.
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    I actually saw the Danes skip Sweden and take Norway once. Quite an interesting stratagy.

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    Is the quality of troops in the target province taken into account when the "invade/not invade" ruleset is applied, or simply the number of men?

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    Strength of the unit is used, that include upgrades and valour, general rank etc.
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