Idea.

[Mikeus Caesar]

I just had an idea, but to curb the amount of, quite frankly, crap, posts we are getting in the frontroom, why not bring in something i've seen used to great affect on other sites, Karma and Reputation? Basically, people start off at 0 Reputation. When they post, people can give their judgement on whether or not it was a good post by giving them +/- Rep. The more rep a person gets, the more rewards they get e.g. they get to 100 rep, and they get upgraded to Medium Karma, which would have advantages such as increased PM inbox and less waiting time inbetween each post. But if someone's been naughty, and gets a certain amount of - Rep, then they eventually reach Low Karma, whereby they have fewer privileges.

I've seen a few sites adopt this, and it gets rid of spam quite efficiently.

[miho]

The point of some threads in the frontroom is that you can easily increase your post number. Such is "Stupid questions get stupid answers game", or "One Word Story II".

[Mouzafphaerre]

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It doesn't work well. Even seemingly the maturest and easy types surprisingly take offense on it. I have seen it made big trouble from nothing on other fora.

No.
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[Simetrical]

Even if the rep votes are anonymous?

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Yep. Some big guys turned crybabies like "who's flogging me? pray tell!" etc. There even was a secret flogging maniac in one forum, who couldn't be identified to date.
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[Meneldil]

There's also the possibility that you decrease one's reputation just because you disagree with one of his backroom post

[miho]

And someone could deliberatly raise/lower someones rep.

[Kekvit Irae]

I, too, have seen forums with karma. And I've seen it spammed. A well-connected newbie could get +100 in a day, whereas a well-established member with a well-connected enemy could get -100 in a day.

I'm against this idea. We already have something better: warning points. Screw up, and you get a warning point for all to see.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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In one of the forums, which happens to be inhabited by a large American conservative majority, there's this European guy shuting "the king is naked" all the time but doing it ina a somewhat furious way. He had his "flogging" limit of -127 depleted in a few days. I took the merciful pseudo-hacker route and wrote a simple HTML meta refresh code which would automatically add the guy rep. Left it open for a few days and he became +127/-127. Then I revealed it for a good laugh.
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[Kaiser of Arabia]

I'd be at negative 19489218472894729831920910438191938184792482991098079510473981y5879635613567132685358916123466491385 ^28957298478145721874216382137295712.4
Right now

[Papewaio]

All your Karma belongs to us.

[Reverend Joe]

The conservatives would hammer me.

[solypsist]

bad idea. then you get things like people signing rep comments with other peoples names, or creating alter/users just to rep or karma rate someone. and there are the inevitible threads made complaining about karma/rep and it turns into a big crybaby mess.

no thanks.

[Mikeus Caesar]

Your also all missing the other point about this rep thing. It would get rid of the crybabies good and quickly. If we had rep when Clayton Ballentine had been around, he wouldn't have been as much of a problem, as he could have been identified quicker, and probably would have gone away crying quicker in a huff because he had minus 1 billion points.

[Strike For The South]

your idea is bad let it go brotha

[Mikeus Caesar]

your idea is bad let it go brotha

You just don't like it because you know you would be one of the people hit badly by it.

You're all troglodytes...

[Adrian II]

You're all troglodytes...

There goes your karma. And your idea.

[Strike For The South]

You just don't like it because you know you would be one of the people hit badly by it.

You're all troglodytes...

I aint no spammer

[Papewaio]

You just don't like it because you know you would be one of the people hit badly by it.

You're all troglodytes...

MC you would have been reincarnated by now if we had the karma system... Clayton had issues and was what a 12 year old? Karma spanking him would only end with your own karma rating being hit.

I wouldn't mind a Karma rating where you lose Karma when you add negative points to someone else.

[Drisos]

It doesn't work well. Even seemingly the maturest and easy types surprisingly take offense on it.

Fully agreed. This rule would mean a lot of arguing with staff wether the post is + or -. It seems like staff does not mind a few 'spam-intended' threads. (like for instance word assosiation game) But when people spam a lot in other threads as well normal actions should be taken. (and are taken) ... a few spam posts > inofficial warning... some more spam posts > warning ... more spam > another warning... more spam > temporary ban... etc.

I don't see much pure-spam posts in frontroom in non-spam threads lately... so all is fine, right? Beirut's axe doin' well?

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Beirut's axe kills unwanted wild trees in the frontroom so that the forest itself can grow healthily.
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[Just A Girl]

The only place ive seen karma points being used effectivley is on a tech forum,

People Sayd Yes this fixed my prob and gave you good karma,
(over there im positivly radiant )

But not many people Ever receved bad Karma,
unless they told some 1 to delete something they shouldnt have or made the problem worse or something,

I dont think it could work to well in normal conversation though,
As people will always disagree, And then they will try to take your karma away,

The only way around this is to have a mod check the post You gained or lost karma becous of,
and then they give it the all clear for the points to be added or removed,
This means more work for the mods,
And 1 day of some 1 going mad on the karma button would mean a month of work for the mods,

Its a valid idea, That works with some situationts,
Unfortunatly i do not beleve it can work here,

[Togakure]

... I wouldn't mind a Karma rating where you lose Karma when you add negative points to someone else.

That is a very interesting twist on this type of system, m8. I like it. Would it be a straight one-for-one point, or perhaps plus two points for receiving good karma from someone else, minus two points for receiving bad karma from someone else, and minus one point from your own points for giving someone bad karma?

Karma systems are only as good as the onliners who use them. Our M:TW clan's forum has this feature, and it is used well. But, I think a lot of that has to do with the mutual respect and good character of our clan members. Based on my observations over the last two years and generally speaking, many patrons here tend to be pretty critical, self-centered, and inconsiderate. A great many react, rather than think, consider all sides, then act (or in this cast, post). I don't think a standard karma system would work very well here. Many would use it as a form of aggression, retribution, control, or simple mischief. It would indeed create another opportunity for whiners to be public whiners.

Hence, I vote "no thank you." I might change my vote if a system based on Papewaio's idea was put on trial.

[Mikeus Caesar]

I wouldn't mind a Karma rating where you lose Karma when you add negative points to someone else.

I've seen one place where did that, it worked quite well. It gets rid of the threat of people de-repping for silly things like a difference of opinion.

Tell me, how many would like my idea if it was combined with Pape's idea?

Also, could i just make a point, but this would also be helpful in informing newbs about what they might be doing wrong. Say they make a post, a lot of people de-rep them for it, if the people who de-rep them explain why, then the newb can understand and not make that mistake again.

[Simetrical]

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In one of the forums, which happens to be inhabited by a large American conservative majority, there's this European guy shuting "the king is naked" all the time but doing it ina a somewhat furious way. He had his "flogging" limit of -127 depleted in a few days. I took the merciful pseudo-hacker route and wrote a simple HTML meta refresh code which would automatically add the guy rep. Left it open for a few days and he became +127/-127. Then I revealed it for a good laugh.
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You couldn't do this on an intelligently-configured vB, though. One user couldn't decrease anyone's rep by that much over a reasonable period of time, and spam accounts would have to post a fair amount before getting enough reputation to give others significant amounts. IIRC, anyway.

[Togakure]

Regarding spam accounts, if the karma system were to be made available only to members, then it would be much less worth the time and effort to create multiple accounts just to be able to spam karma points. I don't know if this is technically possible, but, FWIW ...

[Divinus Arma]

This idea is gayer then a certain member of this forum who's name I shall not reveal here.

Let's just say that the idea is gay and end it all now.

You troglodyte.

edit: That comment would have earned me -12 karma. And thus it is a stupid idea.

Why do we want to take the fun out of the Org? I wouldn't come herre if it were full of butt-kissing karma seekers.

[Togakure]

... You troglodyte. ...

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I thought all troglodytes originated from Hemet, California ... . What an armpit. Is the Silver Fox still there? We had the misfortune of playing that rathole club for a week once, a loooooong time ago. There was a reservoir nearby that was fun to waterski at; can't remember the name though.
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Edit: was it Lake Perrin?

[Mouzafphaerre]

You couldn't do this on an intelligently-configured vB, though. One user couldn't decrease anyone's rep by that much over a reasonable period of time, and spam accounts would have to post a fair amount before getting enough reputation to give others significant amounts. IIRC, anyway.

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There's a karma flood control of one hour. Before that was introduced, one single unidentified member earned the guy -30 in a row.
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[Ludens]

Your also all missing the other point about this rep thing. It would get rid of the crybabies good and quickly. If we had rep when Clayton Ballentine had been around, he wouldn't have been as much of a problem, as he could have been identified quicker, and probably would have gone away crying quicker in a huff because he had minus 1 billion points.

Why do you have to dig up this old corpse yet again? You weren't exactly on your best behaviour during this affair either.

I don't like the idea of a Karma system because it would make the Org so judgemental (if you understand what I mean). If we are going to introduce it, then at least make sure a patron's karma cannot be lowered too much during one week or brought down by actions of one patron.