Once a child molestor...

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/20/D8E017CO0.html
Why, oh why does our society still allow child molestors to breath air? Hopefully the Vietnamese will do the right thing.

[JAG]

Stll banging the same drum Dave?

You still need to talk to the experts who treat these people and ask them about "once a child molester...' because you are wrong. This problem is no different to other social failures.

[Devastatin Dave]

Stll banging the same drum Dave?

You still need to talk to the experts who treat these people and ask them about "once a child molester...' because you are wrong. This problem is no different to other social failures.

LOL!!! You hardly post a thing in the Backroom anymore and i post something critical about sick perverts that #### little kids, then here you come to defend these animals. You should seek help...

[Strike For The South]

Stll banging the same drum Dave?

You still need to talk to the experts who treat these people and ask them about "once a child molester...' because you are wrong. This problem is no different to other social failures.

Hello JAG good to see you havent changed

[Byzantine Prince]

This problem is no different to other social failures.

How is this a social failure?

[Ja'chyra]

Stll banging the same drum Dave?

You still need to talk to the experts who treat these people and ask them about "once a child molester...' because you are wrong. This problem is no different to other social failures.

I was just about to say that you're lucky JAG's not here anymore

It's not a social problem it's a personnal choice, maybe not the feelings but the act, so if he chooses to pursue it he should pay the price.

[Kralizec]

Little kids? I could understand the overblown sentiments if it were some 60 year old creep that drags grade school kids into their car and abuses them in his basement, but not in this case. The article speaks of a 15 year old girl, afterall.
At that age it's still a crime and of course it should be, but nothing that would justify a death sentence. Murder, kidnapping and grievous assault are IMO far worse crimes and rarely lead to death sentences.

[Redleg]

Stll banging the same drum Dave?

You still need to talk to the experts who treat these people and ask them about "once a child molester...' because you are wrong. This problem is no different to other social failures.

To damn funny - child molestion is not a social failure, its the failure of the individual.

[ichi]

Very interesting study done by DOJ in 1994. It shows that only a small percentage of convicted child molesters are arrested after their release, but this is confounded by several factors. They may still be preying on children and not getting arrested, or they may still harbor predatory tendencies but lack opportunity or are otherwise thwarted somehow.

There does seem to be some psychological data that supports the idea that pedophilia is something that doesn't go away with treatment, that it persists throughout the life of the offender. This leads people to the belief that once a pedophile is identified, that he should be constrained forever from the opportunity to molest.

I for one believe that even first time offenders should do some very long, hard time in prison. This has led some to postulate that the fear of harsh punishment leads pedophiles to kill their victims in an attempt to reduce the threat of capture. I'm not sure if that is true or if it warrants reconsideration.

We also need to do a better job of monitoring once released.

We need to strengthen our laws and stiffen penalties, but one thing I'm against is indefinite sentences. In several states convicted molesters are being kept incarcerated after their sentences have been fulfilled. That's probably not consistent with American principles of justice.

I do know that the world is a very tough place, toughest especially on the smallest and weakest. Unfortunately we can't protect everyone all of the time, and even if we had all convicted offenders locked away for ever there would still be new offenders.

This is a serious problem anddemands careful attention, to do as much as we can, but do it right.

DOJ Recidivism Paper

ichi

[Devastatin Dave]

How is this a social failure?

To JAG and many of his mindset, criminals are never at fault for their crimes. If we just hugged them enough and made them feel good about themselves will cure everything.
I wonder if JAG were to have children, I wonder if he would feel differently. I wonder if it were his child that some sicko ####ed would he then see it as a "social failure". Somehow i doubt it.

[Devastatin Dave]

Maybe pedophilia is genetic like many "claim" homosexuality is. Wouldn't that be something?

[Ser Clegane]

Maybe pedophilia is genetic like many "claim" homosexuality is. Wouldn't that be something?

Good point (though, IIRC, JAG does not think that homosexuality is genetic).

In the end - no matter if the disposition is genetic or not - actually having sex with a minor is a choice and IMO the punishment for child molesters or guys like Gary Glitter who seem to promote prostitution of children (AFAIK he is being accused of having paid a 12-year-old girl for sex) should be rather harsh.
Also child molestation is one of the crimes were further monitoring of the perpetrator after his (or her) time in jail seems appropriate.

[Duke Malcolm]

The best thing for him is castration or circumcision.

[Devastatin Dave]

Does anyone know what the Veitnamese government do to child molestors as far as by law and what sort of sentences are handed down for these crimes?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

They say he could face death by firing squad, and quite frankly i hope they shoot the sick bastard if he is going round having sex with a 12 year old girl.

I don't believe in help for these "people", anyone who prays on children are just depraved individuals. IMO they cannot be rehabilitated. Would you leave your child in the same room as an apparently "rehabilitated" Paedophile? I know i wouldn't

[Ser Clegane]

Does anyone know what the Veitnamese government do to child molestors as far as by law and what sort of sentences are handed down for these crimes?

According to an article I read it's up to 12 years in prison for sex with minors, if it is rape capital punishment is a possibility (from what I've read, this is not likely to be a case of rape though)

[Devastatin Dave]

Good point (though, IIRC, JAG does not think that homosexuality is genetic).

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that homosexuality and child molestation are morally equivalent since homosexual acts are usually performed by concenting adults or teens. But if there is ever a gene found that makes people predesposed to child sex, as some claim that homosexuals have, would we then have medications to curb these criminal acts besides chemical castration?

[Slyspy]

It is interesting that Gary Glitter being arrested on allegations of child molestation completely over shadows other issues raised by this report. If only the Vietnamese and, more so, the Thais were as keen to shut down the brothels and street pimps who run these kids. Everyone knows that sex tourism of all kinds centres on these countries and they would do well to act to counter that reputation.

[Adrian II]

The best thing for him is castration or circumcision.

Yeah, circumcision. That will teach him.


Excuse me...





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[Duke Malcolm]

Hmm? Have I got it wrong? The general perception here is that circumcision is a terrible shame, when one has their naughty bit lopped off or has the foreskin sliced off.

[Strike For The South]

does circumcison mean the same thing in the UK

[Adrian II]

does circumcison mean the same thing in the UK

Ever wonder why they have these high-pitched voices?

[Duke Malcolm]

What? What does circumcision mean to you, then?

[Kanamori]

Being circumcised as an adult would hurt

[Duke Malcolm]

Exactly

[Adrian II]

Why, oh why does our society still allow child molestors to breath air?

So what, crime happens. And it is not as if Glitter had killed anyone. According to the article he could get five years in Vietnam.

[Lemur]

Being circumcised as an adult would hurt

That's the origin of the schism between Judaism and Christianity. The Greeks didn't feel like going through adult circumcision. Without painkillers. Without antibiotics. The followers of Jesus said, "Eh, it's okay, you don't really have to do that," to which the Jews said, "Yes you do." It all ended in tears.

As for pedophiles, I've read some conflicting things about their recidivism rate. Not sure who I believe. Locking someone up for life is a very expensive piece of business, so I'd be all in favor of treatment, whether that's a drug therapy or chemical castration.

Also, is it just this lemur, or isn't there a pretty big difference between someone who sexualizes a teenager and somone who lusts for pre-teens? I mean, there's no linguistic or legal distinction, but it seems there ought to be. A person who wants to have sex with a gorgeous sixteen-year-old is misguided, but not necessarily bent and unfixable. On the other hand, a person who wants to have sex with a three-year-old is probably broken beyond repair.

Shouldn't we distinguish? Or is that opening a whole 'nother can of worms?

[DemonArchangel]

Gary Glitter? Ugh....

This man won't even be worth the dog food he'll create when we shove him into an industrial meat grinder.

[Adrian II]

Shouldn't we distinguish?

No, we should not. You see, this thread is just another opportunity to vent adolescent ennui. So far we have castration/4, hanging or drawing/2, shot in the head/6. Faites vos jeux.

[Papewaio]

If only the Vietnamese and, more so, the Thais were as keen to shut down the brothels and street pimps who run these kids. Everyone knows that sex tourism of all kinds centres on these countries and they would do well to act to counter that reputation.

If there was no demand then there would be no one bothering supplying.

I think a jail sentence of a length equivalent to how much underage the person was. Rape a 15 year old, 6 years, 12 year old 12 years in jail. No parole and no concurrent sentences... as much tea and hugs as you want.

Oh and kill a child that you have raped... an inventive painful death that acts as a deterrent to any other child molestor and murderer... bamboo growing up the beep... boiled to death in a large pot of tea...