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    Im curios about this. I recieve frequent warnings for the most absurd things. Heres something I received a few days ago from Mithrandir....


    Dear holybandit,

    You have been warned for one of your posts, which violated The Guild Rules. The reason you have been warned is because:

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    (Warning Type = Minor)

    For this violation, you have been given : 1 point(s).
    The point(s) will remain in your account for 31 days.
    After that, they will be removed automatically.

    The post for which you are warned can be seen here:

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    Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
    So perhaps he took the rifle of an assistant gunner of a crew-served weapon?

    It would be interesting to have more details about the circumstances and how the soldiers around him reacted. Based on what was translated by Roy, I could see how the cameraman's actions might not have been so good. For instance, if he had grabbed someone's weapon without asking that alone could have been cause for consternation. If he had then proceeded to pick a target and begin firing at it without the direction or control of the supervisor in the area, I could see some squad leader getting enormously pissed off, possibly with good cause.

    At any rate, important details of the situation are unclear from what we've seen so far, it would be interesting to have more information.


    You need a supervisor/commander to shoot at masked people are who shooting at you?

    "You there, cameraman, how DARE you shoot them insurgents, they were MY targets you prick!"
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    Language.
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    Your total Warning Level at the moment is: 1 point(s).

    If you reach the maximum of 3, you will be demoted, for 2 days.

    To see details about all the warnings you have received, until now, please click here.

    Please reply back if you have a dispute. END QUOTE

    This Is what I replied

    Do you know what a prick is? Its a small needle or thorn that can get into your toe. When it does get in your toe its very annoying, when your calling someone a prick it means he/she is annoying.

    The language moderation on this forum is ridiculous. Do you expect 7 year olds to be frequenting this forum?

    His reply....


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    Do you know what a prick is?

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    yes.


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    The language moderation on this forum is ridiculous. Do you expect 7 year olds to be frequenting this forum?

    I expect members to not break the rules they agreed to when signing up.

    -Mithrandir.

    I was in a bad mood at the time. I replied this...

    Are you kidding me? Are you really that dumb? If someone wants to take everything as sexual innuendo then you better be sending out alot more warning messages. The urban dictionary is slang I wasnt reffering to slang now was I?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Prick
    (A real dictionary)


    He seriosly reffered to the urban dictionary. Thats incredibly stupid (am I allowed to say stupid?). He didnt reply to my message.
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    "Do you know what a prick is? Its a small needle or thorn that can get into your toe. When it does get in your toe its very annoying, when your calling someone a prick it means he/she is annoying."

    I have never heard this before.

    There was a similar discussion a while back where someone was warned for saying "mf" which they claimed was "my friend".

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    Default Re: Was I in the right?

    Considering the context in which you used the word "prick" it could have been interpreted in its less appropriate meaning (now, isn't this a fine example of self-censoring ).

    The post you made, can be seen as offensive, but, since you react quite furious, it's quite obvious this wasn't your intention.

    Imho, it's a misunderstanding. The kind of misunderstanding that occurs when people communicate through an internet-forum. The kind of misunderstanding that can escalate to enormous proportions, while in "real life" it wouldn't happen at all.

    My prescpription:
    Give each other a nice virtual hug , drink a virtual beer and forget the incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    There was a similar discussion a while back where someone was warned for saying "mf" which they claimed was "my friend".
    Just out of curiosity Sasaki,

    What does the abbreviation 'wtf' in your custom user title stands for?

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    Default Re: Was I in the right?

    i think the word prick is fine.
    but just deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

    What does the abbreviation '***' in your custom user title stands for?


    Too funny considering some moderators don't allow that term to be used.

    Edited in the stars so I don't get a warning.

    Anyways that's what causes problems, moderators need to follow the strictest rules, then when one moderator punishes one then another moderator breaks that rule, causing a problem.

    That way the moderators are within the rules instead of above them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaty
    Edited in the stars so I don't get a warning.
    It does mean "wait 'til friday", doesn't it?
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    hmm I've never warned anyone for wtf. mf got warned because he was referring to another patron.

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    mmmm I've been warned for stupid things too, imo, but I don't care, I don't discuss mod decisions, if they want to delete a post of mine, fine let them do it, like I can be bothered, these warning mature after 30 days, well that's fine with me.

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    Default Re: Was I in the right?

    I was warned for using the n-word in my post with stars on all except the first letter, though the tone was very clearly sarcastic -- made, to put it from my point of view, to ridicules the racisms in that particular thread. However, considering the stated policy, and the mildness of the warning (PM level), I don't really care about it that much.

    These warnings slip by after 30 days anyway. I don't think you'd have to worry about it. Misunderstandings happen.
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    I think this is a bogus warning but it's the mods decision and I'm not arguing with it. I've gotten what 4 warnings doesn't really change anything.
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    Prick also means penis in a derogatory tone. It's mild, but not innocent. If it wasn't mild it would be a two pointer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Prick also means penis in a derogatory tone. It's mild, but not innocent. If it wasn't mild it would be a two pointer.
    Never heard that before I've always though of a prick as an *******
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    I got a warning once for using a 4 letter synonim for excrement, no points though. No big deal, I got over it

    Your case seems a lot similar, and a point seems over the top. It's not as if you get your childhood ruined by looking at that word (compared to say, one of DevDave's posts) and most English speaking kids hear it all the time...

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    Iv never heard prick as being a penis. The UrbanDictionary seems moronic to me.

    If its a misunderstanding then w/e.
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    I don't think it is. Mithrandir's like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holybandit
    Iv never heard prick as being a penis. The UrbanDictionary seems moronic to me.

    If its a misunderstanding then w/e.
    a) You are implying that someone is a moron for using the urban dictionary. Tsk tsk

    b) You are certainly not proving your case when your very own link in your first post http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Prick states the following:

    7. Slang (vulgar). a. penis.
    b. an obnoxious or contemptible person.

    Beaten by your own brilliance methinks.

    Oh and in this situation I suggest you check that link at number 25:
    Idiom 25. kick against the pricks, to resist incontestable facts or authority; protest uselessly: In appealing the case again, you will just be kicking against the pricks.

    And we do have under tens who sign up... mainly for advice on how to beat their dads at totalwar... and they have gone on to do so.
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    To be honest, Mithrandir, I think you're perhaps being a bit too strict with the warnings for language, in general.
    I got one for saying the equivalent of crap, as well - although shite has been used in several threads, plentifully, during the previous days. So shite is okay, but if I cut the "e" it's not okay anymore. They seem equally offensive (or not) to me.
    Plus, I really don't feel this is a bad term, people say "oh, ****" all the time (**** = shite without the "e").


    Not a huge deal, by all means, but I think we can be a little bit more relaxed about the language without losing too much of the PG13 spirit.
    And sure, I agreed to the rules when I signed up, but most of the language issues are pretty subjective ones, and they are not covered explicitly in the rules, so it's really a matter of opinion. A patron could consider they are not breaking the rules, while another one (mod or not) could think differently.

    Anyway, peace and all that, cheers.
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    Btw, when I said "a bit too strict" I was referring also to the fact that the other Backroom mods seem significantly more lax about this (language issues).
    Mods are human, etc, etc, of course, nobody's screaming murder here, but, if you're really gonna crack down on language, then a bit of consistency would be nice
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    Blodrast here is your mission impossible if you choose to accept it:

    Go to the Backroom
    Check out the stickied threads
    Find one about bad language.
    And then post the quote of it in this thread.

    This message will self distruct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blodrast
    and they are not covered explicitly in the rules, so it's really a matter of opinion.
    True and for some reasons too. I understand that there's a large variation in using language and meaning, it even differs where you are (do you say the same things to your grandma as you do in the boys lockerroom?)

    What would happen if there was a list here with words you were not allowed to use? Think about that for a few seconds please?

    -Obviously we would forget to list swearwords, I know a couple of Dutch ones, but none in Swahili. 'Look! It's not in the list, so I use those words in my post, {I know they are meant to hurt}, but they are not forbidden'
    -We would constantly have to update the list and of course it would constantly be dodged: 'no luck is not allowed, I wrote 1uck'.
    -Unwieldy long list of thou art not allowed to. Aren't forbidden fruits the most yummiest? And isn't it very annoying that they are there, even ones you never heard off, words that would be perfect to make your point or just sound so cool, but are not allowed to be used?
    -Would it be logical to try to clean the forums and not expose youngsters, faint hearted- or well manered people to foul language and at the same time have lists with those same bad words?
    Keep them hidden in one place? => 'I did not see the list, it can't be found anywhere'.
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    Pape, I admit I am very tired. I am not sure I get it...
    Yes, there is a sticky in the Backroom about foul language, and it has 2 entries, an older one of Ser Clegane, and a recent one (couple of days old) by Mithrandir.
    Again, I fail to see your point, honestly.

    I already mentioned that I was aware that there are rules concerning bad language when one signs up for an account on the Org, so if you're trying to remind me of that, there's no need/point.

    Allow me to give an example of what I meant when I said that the other mods don't seem to crack down equally hard on language.

    This is from the "English schoolgirl sent to prison" something something, which is currently on the first page in the Backroom. Check page 4, a post by Bombasticus Maximus:
    100% percent right whats the point in letting someone here who can't speak our language or will learn it and it's going to get worse with all the people from the countries that are joining the EU. Cut down my ass. I was recently working somewhere that had 3 polish people inside it and one of them had been in the country for one week. (edited for language by Ser Clegane)
    As you can see, even after editing, "ass" is still in there. Of course it doesn't bother me, but I'd put it in the same category as "shite" without the "e".

    Anyway, I'd like to mention, again, that I don't want this to escalate into a big thing - it's not, for me anyway. I'm pretty sure that I've used the same word at various points during my 1200 posts, and I have never got a warning before, so I was a bit surprised this time.

    Oh, and I'm not disputing my warning. If he considered it to be warning-worthy, that's fine. But I am a bit ticked off by the inconsistency - both in the timeline, and among the mods (different people, different styles of moderation, and different degrees of harshness).
    Please, don't think that I'm pissed or upset at you, Mithrandir, or that I took the warning personally. Not in the least.

    You guys are generally doing a great job, so cheers.
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    very strange, I did not see your post, Tosa, when I submitted mine. However, when I did look in the Watchtower, it said this thread had the last post made by TosaInu.
    From the wonders of the Watchtower, I reckon.

    Anyway, sorry you felt you had to post the explanation about the swear words. During both of my posts I thought "I should really say that yeah, I understand why there isn't such a list with all the words, and why it's not feasible, and I was around when this issue was discussed at least a couple of times", but, like I said, I was/am too tired (add lazy to that, too).

    For the last time, yes, I'm aware it's all subjective and all that.
    My emphasis, and the point I was trying to make, was a completely different one, and I tried to explain that in my previous two posts.
    It seems that I've failed, because both you and Pape are trying to convince me of issues that I have not argued against.

    Anyway, I did the best I could in my current state, so I'll just drop it. If two posts weren't able to convey my point, there is no reason to believe more of the same will achieve any result.
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    Hello Blodrast,

    I may be dutch, but I think I saw your points. Afaik, this has been commented on a few times, so I chose to explain a bit about why not explicitly in the rules.

    The reason why you didn't see my post, and that happens a lot with me, is that I replied after Papewaio but took quite some time to finish the post. Quite some time.. it's only 26 minutes. There were cases of 5 hours in the past.

    On the point of consistency: a lot is written every day: the mod both has to catch it and decide whether it's worth (compared to other things requiring time) to be addressed. Sad as that may be, it's also sad that some people insist on having lockerroom convos at grandma's place (Disclaimer: generally spoken and so to say).

    Having androids is not a solution yet. Scripts are technically feasible, but I don't consider them a solution either. In the first place because they have to scan posts => no matter how fast that's done, it will affect the performance of the board. Wouldn't it be harsh to make everyone pay?
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    Default Re: Was I in the right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Prick also means penis in a derogatory tone. It's mild, but not innocent. If it wasn't mild it would be a two pointer.
    Care to tell us which definition you were using here?
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    Holybandit, you were definitely in the wrong. You want a forum that allows dirty language, the Org is not it. Don't try to insult a good moderator by playing silly word games.

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    Some comments:

    Firstly, I'd like to point out that in general you do not get any actual warnings for mild swearing and borderline cases.
    What we usually send out is an "alert"/0-point warning that does not have any noticeable effect on the patron's account but just serves to point out to the patron that his/her vocabulary is not in line with what we consider to be appropriate on this forum.

    Actual warning points are usually given when
    a) a patron repeatedly ignores the alerts/0-pointers
    b) refuses to edit the bad language in a post after being asked to do so

    Of course it happens that certain words get pointed out by moderators in one case but are apparently ignored in another case.
    Here I would like to quote from the Backroom sticky on bad language that Pape already referred to (some emphasis added):

    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
    The moderator staff will try(!) to consistently point out and edit violations and we will reserve our right to use further means if necessary.

    There might be cases when the use of words that could be considered to be profanities will be acceptable in a given context - and we will decide that on a case-by-case basis (so don't expect an exhaustive rule-book, this also goes for the decision which words are acceptable and which are not, sometimes also the tone makes the music).

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    Gentlemen, don't let this escalate.

    Otherwise, I'll feel obliged to spank your ******* *****
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    Sometimes I can't see the points about the mod staff being too strict.
    I'd say come with me to .com one day. imo the rules are far more relaxed here, ofcourse I'm not allowed to swear, well so be it.

    I've been warned for calling RTW a bad game (well I used another word, has something to do with poopoo). If I would have made the rules that would have been allowed, but I didn't make them so there's little I can do is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaty
    Too funny considering some moderators don't allow that term to be used.

    Edited in the stars so I don't get a warning.

    Anyways that's what causes problems, moderators need to follow the strictest rules, then when one moderator punishes one then another moderator breaks that rule, causing a problem.

    That way the moderators are within the rules instead of above them
    I use wtf a lot, I don't think is offensive and I've never gotten a warning for it


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