Exit-with-honour... *rolls eyes*

[Redleg]

Exiting with their tail between the legs would be the proper term.

Then again, to paraphrase a quote from that link: In 20 years when an Iraqi asks France, what did you do to help my county? All we will have to say is nothing. Just like Rwanda and the Sudan we will sit on the sidelines, claim the moral high ground, shake our fingers and watch as the carnage unfolds.
Whether the attack on Iraq was right or wrong do we not have an obligation as member of the international community to help them get on their feet and provide them with a brighter future?

Your confusing the adminstration with the troops - oh well the vement anti-americanism has to be spout to counter the french bash in the link I suppose.

Politics as usual - election cycle is in full swing. Just wait more rethoric and backpeddling from many within the Administration - so that the Republicans in Congress can maintain thier postions.

As stated in another thread.

Short term abuses do and will continue to happen in the American system of government - but eventually the government either self-corrects with the three branches providing the checks and balances - or we end up voting the controlling party out of the other two branches. This is what happened to the Democratic Party - and most likely will happen to the Republican Party - unless of course in the next 12 monthes they get their act together and begin to regain the authority which the Congress has abdicated to the President.

The downstream effects of this particular case will be interesting to see. I believe that the Supreme Court will be making additional rulings concerning some of the cases in Gitmo in the near future.

Are we seeing the beginning of the lame duck session of President Bush's presidency 3 year years before it should occur - or will he pull his adminstration together and overcome theseself-imposed hurrdles.

It seems more and more will be happening this year - since he campaigning starts in earnest in about 2 monthes.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Redleg, I'm talking about the administration.

There was no French-bashing in that link. It was mine. Meaning that however much my primeval instincts tells me to have a good laugh at Bush' folly, we can hardly claim the moral high ground when we can all see the carnage in Iraq coming and will do nothing to stop it.

[Redleg]

Redleg, I'm talking about the administration.

THen you should of clearly stated it - because the way it read - it states something else.

There was no French-bashing in that link. It was mine. Meaning that however much my primeval instincts tells me to have a good laugh at Bush' folly, we can hardly claim the moral high ground when we can all see the carnage in Iraq coming and will do nothing to stop it.

Oh so you made it up then - not just paraphrasing. Since paraphrasing is just to change the meaning of the statement.

[Papewaio]

Don't withdraw in time and you will have to look after the kid...

[Tribesman]

I expect him to say "we pull out because the job is done and we can leave now". I mean I morally expect that.

How about having him standing in a market square in the middle of Baghdad under a big banner saying "mission accomplished" .

[Strike For The South]

This Bush charcter is starting to erk me

[Tribesman]

This Bush charcter is starting to erk me
Did you miss a letter J out of that
Are you trying to get expelled from the Conservative club ?

[Prodigal]

Oops, just read all the others posts...Maybe not the best place to be glib, so this edit is to delete my post content.

[Louis VI the Fat]

THen you should of clearly stated it - because the way it read - it states something else.

That perhaps depends a good deal on what you expect it to state.

Oh so you made it up then - not just paraphrasing. Since paraphrasing is just to change the meaning of the statement.

No, with paraphrasing you change the wording but not the meaning. Introduced by me was the French 'bashing', it was done by paraphrasing the statement. All I had to do was swap 'Canada' for 'France'.

The original sentence was from a Canadian expressing my sentiment. Shame that link is now expired. You may have been surprised by reading the full post where my quote came from. It was a comment on the main article by some Canadian army guy. It is, well, not pro-war or pro-American, but highly critical of the nations that didn't go to war in Iraq. He goes on to say that, (and I'm paraphrasing again as I can not quote from the link) that whatever you may think of the Iraq war, it doesn't suit us to criticize the nations that did go to war. He says how hypocritical it is when we have never done anything for the Iraqi people, how we do nothing now, how we will still not do anything when civil war breaks out.

It is far removed from some 'vehement anti-americanism that has to be spout' - it is a call for modesty and introspection by Canada, and extended to France by me.

[Redleg]

That perhaps depends a good deal on what you expect it to state.

No noun to identify the subject - on a thread about the exit of soldiers from Iraq. Nice try big boy.

No, with paraphrasing you change the wording but not the meaning. Introduced by me was the French 'bashing', it was done by paraphrasing the statement. All I had to do was swap 'Canada' for 'France'.

Then again - its made up now isn't?

The original sentence was from a Canadian expressing my sentiment. Shame that link is now expired. You may have been surprised by reading the full post where my quote came from. It was a comment on the main article by some Canadian army guy. It is, well, not pro-war or pro-American, but highly critical of the nations that didn't go to war in Iraq. He goes on to say that, (and I'm paraphrasing again as I can not quote from the link) that whatever you may think of the Iraq war, it doesn't suit us to criticize the nations that did go to war. He says how hypocritical it is when we have never done anything for the Iraqi people, how we do nothing now, how we will still not do anything when civil war breaks out.

And what he states is his opinion - is that a bad thing?

It is far removed from some 'vehement anti-americanism that has to be spout' - it is a call for modesty and introspection by Canada, and extended to France by me.

That is fine and dandy - now all you have to do is apply introspection to all the rest of Europe.

[Goofball]

THen you should of clearly stated it - because the way it read - it states something else.

What the hell is the matter with you lately? I had no problem understanding what LTF meant. It was a very evenhanded statement that quite clearly got across the idea that those of us who are doing nothing have no real right to sit around criticizing those who are at least trying to do something.

You are just picking fights for the sake of picking fights.

RELAX! Good God, man! Eat some turkey and pumpkin pie, watch some football, and enjoy your family...

[Red Harvest]

The Administration will be the one exiting with their tails between their legs, not the U.S. military. Our troops have performed well. It was the occupation plan that was lacking.

And I still believe the best thing to do now is to put this on the Iraqi's shoulders. They need to step up and take control. If they can't do that in a year, then they aren't going to, period. All this does is bring things to a conclusion sooner.

This will also give the Sunni's a stake in actually improving stability and getting involved ASAP. If they don't then they run the risk of having the Shiites run roughshod over them without anyone to intervene. That would be poetic justice.

[Beirut]

But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath
a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and
arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join
together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at
such a place;' some swearing, some crying for a
surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind
them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their
children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die
well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of any thing, when blood is their
argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it
will be a black matter for the king that led them to
it; whom to disobey were against all proportion of
subjection.

KING HENRY V

[Redleg]

What the hell is the matter with you lately? I had no problem understanding what LTF meant. It was a very evenhanded statement that quite clearly got across the idea that those of us who are doing nothing have no real right to sit around criticizing those who are at least trying to do something.

Does the term take a flying leap of a cliff have any meaning to you. The statement read exactly the way I stated it did to me - If you think that was hostile and picking a fight then you haven't been paying attention to when I am looking for one - kind of like now - Louis did not make it clear that it was the administration he was refering to. Maybe you should think on that for a second.

You are just picking fights for the sake of picking fights.

Pot calling the kettle black.....

RELAX! Good God, man! Eat some turkey and pumpkin pie, watch some football, and enjoy your family...

Kiss off big boy......