Exit-with-honour... *rolls eyes*

[Adrian II]

Some people really shouldn't talk about Nations in that way should they, it might bring up suggestions of Vietnam Korea Somalia or Lebanon, hey give it a while and you can add Iraq to the list.

I don't know about the genetic make-up of Americans, I am obviously far less of an expert in that field than Devastating Dave. But is it historically true what they say, President Tribesman, that Americans only won battles when they had hugely superior numbers, firepower, etcetera?

[Proletariat]

What a disgusting thread. Pretty much thanks to all of you.

[Franconicus]

Right! Prol, what is your 'Good news from Iraq' thread doing?

[Bartix]

What a disgusting thread. Pretty much thanks to all of you.

It is very bad, even for this place.

I will not say some Thing about Adrian talking out of rectum may be sounding about the same as speaking Dutch usual way, because Thread is already very nasty.

[Proletariat]

I gave up when that thread devolved.

Chrenkoff had much more patience than me.

http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2005/0...-one-spot.html


Also, http://goodnewsfromthefront.com/

[Franconicus]

Thank you!

[R'as al Ghul]

It is very bad, even for this place.

I will not say some Thing about Adrian talking out of rectum may be sounding about the same as speaking Dutch usual way, because Thread is already very nasty.

Thx Bartix. That made my day.

[Meneldil]

I think it's about time to put a...

DevastatinDave,



Oh, and before the topic is closed, may I write something about the genetical stupidity, bigotery, lack of common sense and the overall level of backwardness (is that a word anyway?) exhibited by your country, and some americans in general ?

I guess that's a no-no, cause...


Oh, and since I really want to use a bit more gif, here's one that would describe pretty well the content of your post :



And I'm tempted to say

[Proletariat]

As one fairly patriotic American who works in close proximity to maimed US soldiers returning from Iraq, I'd like to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with Louis' post. It was actually pretty thoughtful. Not that DD or Redleg's posts were the only ones that were way out of line here.

[Prodigal]

Oops, just read all the others posts...Maybe not the best place to be glib, so this edit is to delete my post content.

[Proletariat]

Oh, and before the topic is closed, may I write something about the genetical stupidity, bigotery, lack of common sense and the overall level of backwardness (is that a word anyway?) exhibited by your country, and some americans in general ?

Nice one. You'dve had the high ground here too, until you said this. You think adding qualifiers like 'some' really soften insults like this?

Maybe you're the one who should read the rules a little more carefully.

[Franconicus]

What is going on here

[Beelzebub]

Exit with honour is just a support the soldiers type thing. Has nothing to do with policy.

The US will need to stick around a few years until the Iraqi forces have enough well disciplined and capable soldiers to take over. There were mistakes made in not starting massive training programs earlier, but lots of progress has been made in that area and will continue so.

The US doesn't need many bases there..They already have in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Quatar. I fthey do put one in Iraq, it should be deep in the Kurdish area so there's plenty of local support, it will also be a nice asset to have incase one day down the line, turkey decides to start genociding them (not a stretch, theyre pretty bad with their minority kurd population across the border).

[Slyspy]

Nice one. You'dve had the high ground here too, until you said this. You think adding qualifiers like 'some' really soften insults like this?

Maybe you're the one who should read the rules a little more carefully.

I see no insult. I see a comment along the lines of "touche". Whats good for the goose etc etc. Fair enough considering recent discussions in the Watchtower, for example.

Some posters here seem to be especially touchy and argumentative recently and the quality of discussion is spiralling downwards. This thread is an extreme example. The original topic was fairly neutral, as was Louis' post and it is a shame to see the thread degrade.

Most here seem to agree that the "exit with honour" thing is mere rhetoric designed to make the administration look better as they start up their election campaign. Most also seem to agree that the idea actually confers no honour upon the administration at all.

[Franconicus]

The US will need to stick around a few years until the Iraqi forces have enough well disciplined and capable soldiers to take over. There were mistakes made in not starting massive training programs earlier, but lots of progress has been made in that area and will continue so.

This is an argument I heard quite often; but I don't understand it. If memory serves Saddam had an army of maybe 500,000 soldiers. Even though many of them are dead there must be a lot left. Take all those away who did crimes or are fanatics then there should still be enough. Why do you have to train so many new soldiers. It's like saying we could not leave Germany after WW2 because there are not enough trained soldiers.

Isn't it more about idiology training, organisation and equipment?

[Strike For The South]

that Americans only won battles when they had hugely superior numbers, firepower, etcetera?

no not to mention we got what we needed to get done in korea and in the others polotics at home hamperd any sort of true clear cut victory

[Geoffrey S]

What exactly is wrong with "Exit-with-honour"? It might not be entirely appropriate, but how else would you expect any government to phrase it? First people want the US forces should be withdrawn from Iraq, and then start they complain about the phrasing thereof? It's the policy behind the words that matters, not the name of the policy.

And what he states is his opinion - is that a bad thing?

I think Louis IV the Fat means quite the opposite: he agreed with the statement.

Given the context of the original post by Goofball, Louis IV the Fat's opening sentence could fairly easily be considered directed at US troops rather than the administration. That said, he did state this was not the case and the rest of his post was well put, and certainly not anti-US.

Some people really need to calm down a little. The prevaling attitude is rather belligerent around here lately, often for no worthwhile reason.

[Ser Clegane]

Wow - I am surprised by the immaturity shown by some posters in this thread.

My thanks to those who tried to keep this one civil, but I think that this thread isn't going somewhere useful anymore.

Closed