The New ' Nam, or We seen this before

[KafirChobee]

Blame it on Wilma (the hurricane), she gave me to much time to catch up on the back issues of my reading (Time, Newsweek, USN&WR, NewYorker, Washington Weekly, Washingtom Spectator, and Playboy (I really do read the articles - honest; after looking at the centerfold of course).

Point is, the new investigations in Washington are more about why we went to war in Iraq, than who lied or perjured themselves about giving up the name of a CIA opperative (btw, Ms. Plame was no simple clerk, she ran a counter-terrorism cooperative - which has now become compromised; to think it is other wise is to acknowledge that giving up a CIA employee is OK under any circumstances. Those in the know, know that those on top play down their real roles - those that don't .... die, or their agents do).

I don't believe that Bush43 actually understood what his mentors, prodders, and "friends" were doing - primarily because I have little if any respect that he actually comprehends anything beyond maintaining his familys' fortune (which seems to be his main intent for supporting the legislation he so fervently believes in).

Now, first off. The comparrisons between Iraq and 'nam are bogus - well not exactly. You see, there were mitigating circumstances - primarily people that wanted us (USA) to go to war. Now the difference is that in the first there were men that spoke out against it, in the latter there weren't (well, there were - but, they were either fired, retired, or embarrased - "Plame case", etc). Now in 'nam LBJ feared being the first Prez to lose a war, and he suffered for every man lost during his term (he actually signed all the "it is with great sympathy .... etc and actually attended more than a few brials of the men that died during his watch); he was regretful for his part in going along with the MilitaryIndustrialComplex's plan to keep us there. Bush43's team on the hand planned theirs.

First off, ever hear of the PNAC? Project for the New American Century, I kid you not. It was formed right after Desert Storm's conclusion - you know the "Powell fiascal", where we didn't finish the "job" (that the PNAC boys wanted, and many felt needed - but, then what? Now we know). Who is the PNAC? Well, it go find out - they must have a blog, website (did) etc.

PNAC:
Purpose:
1. Military Expansion - to secure "American" interests (as in Halibutons, Exxon's, etc.
2. Action against Iraq - name it, Christianic Jihad (the new Crusade).
3. "Star Wars", missle defense an Space Weapons; including nukes - "we are willing to destroy ourselves before ....." Rational geniocide.
4. ............(mine) take over befor the American people wake up that other powers are controlling them (offer them $50 a week in tax breaks, while we give millions to billionaires - "thy're" to left behind to figure out the reality of what we do.

The Members (PNAC):
Founders: Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield + + + [think of any billionaire that may fit?]
Chairmen and members: (same +)
Charles Krathammer (appears weekly on ABC-TV & syndicated with the Washingtom post - of course).
Lewis Libby (guess we all know who he is)
Wm. Kristol - go look it up, he really is sorta important
Tom Donnelly - samosamo
Robert B. Zoellick - Deputy Secritary of State
Peter Rodman - Asst. Sec. of Def. for Int'l Security
Dov S. Zoellick - Deputy Sec. of State
John R. Bolton - US ambassador to the UN (who also has ties to Taiwan - especially financially)
Ramdy Scheuneman - was President for "Committee for the Liberation of Iraq", it ain't like this fiascal wasnot planned. You know? btw, the CLI was funded by defense and security contractors (you know those good old boys in thar fund the GOPp coffers).
Stephen Cambone - Under Sec. fo Defense for Intlligence; a pawn - one of those they use to leak untruths, or truths they think will embarress those that oppose their will (refferance "Plame")
R. James Woolsey - former CIA Director
---- Now VP at Booz-Allen-Hamilton (sound familiar? Cheney just awarded them a multi-billion$$$ unconteste contract in Iraq/ well, maybe not Cheney - but it wasn't congress.


So? Comparrisons to 'nam? Well, we (as citizens) were lied to about our reason to got to these regions. Those leading us didn't understand the regions or comprehend the impact of our presence to the surrounding areas.
Er, tbc

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Propaganda at it's finest.

[KafirChobee]

Newsweek, Oct. 31st - Last Word. by Anna Qindlen.
Now, first off, I rarely quote this rag - because tend to be to honest (I prefer real liberal gist stuff me self, but ... I liked this bit)

I will post it in its entirety. For now, the principle of it:

First, she asks Bush43 to go visit the WALL - not that he knows anyone on it, but just to see his face in the names of the men that died without a cause (except to serve their country - what a crock that is).

Then she explains how Bush43 disavowed the war becoming personal by not allowing photos to be taken of the coffins returning home, and how his admin decided it was a good idea not to keep track of how many Iraqis' were dying (100,000 - to date). She then goes into the nut case crap about stations (TV) refusing to broadcast the Koppel show that depicted the faces of those that had died (well below 2.000 I might add).

She then goes into an explanation of how Bush43's Iraq policy became a moving target:
1) WMD
2) The terrorists that attacked us on 9/11 were trained or came from there (er , weren't they form Saudi Arabia?)
3. Getting rid of Saddam -removal of.
4. Bringing freedom to Iraq
5. Spreading democracy througout the Middle-East (well, why not? I'm sure the Saudis love to hear that - don't you?)

Point is, Bush needs to visit the Vietnam Memorial. He needs to realize - we already done this. We really don't need to lose more sons to a useless cause.

IMO. Too. TBC

[Reverend Joe]

Just wait for Gawain to show up... he will "tear this thing apart" with wierd, nonsensical facts and made-up propaganda. The truth is not a popular thing amongst the right these days. Keep it up, Kafir.

[Xiahou]

Just wait for Gawain to show up... he will "tear this thing apart" with wierd, nonsensical facts and made-up propaganda. The truth is not a popular thing amongst the right these days. Keep it up, Kafir.

So you're saying he'll fight fire with fire?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Just wait for Gawain to show up... he will "tear this thing apart" with wierd, nonsensical facts and made-up propaganda. The truth is not a popular thing amongst the right these days. Keep it up, Kafir.

The Left's no better.

[Grey_Fox]

That's why Moderates are on the Path of Enlightenment.

[ichi]

Well Kaf you just barely touched on one of the biggest reasons, and that is to distract the public from real issues and create a climate where rational dissent is impossible.

Just before this war started Enron had collapsed and there were many other potential PR disasters awaiting the Bush White House. Hard to worry about little things like corporate malfeasance when we are at war.

And even today, no one in this country can have a productive discussion of the current situation without 'left', 'right', and other posturing overwhelming any meaningful content.

We are on a collision course with some serious conflict, both internally and abroad, and we have to address important issues before they cripple us.

ichi

[Reverend Joe]

That's why Moderates are on the Path of Enlightenment.

Suuuuuuuuuure...

Moderates are on the path to oblivion. I despise moderates with every ounce of my body, even more so than facists, nihlists and anarchists combined.