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    Malcolm,

    Strathclyde was not part of Scotland until the early 11th century.

    The Later 11th century saw its territory split between Scotland and England.

    Welsh names were still commonly recorded in southern Scotland during the 12th century (Edit:actually, probably longer, I just don't have any other examples lying around).

    The last time that the charters of the kings of Scotland specifically mentioned the Welsh of the kingdom was in the 12th century (edit: it was during the reign of William the Lion so may have been in the early 13th century).

    The veneration of Welsh saints continued on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border for a long time (Edit:I'm guessing until the reformation).

    I reckon William Wallace probably had a fair idea of his heritage.


    Edit: P.S. I just mentioned Paul Dianno to wind up the hardcore Bruce-ites.
    Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 12-03-2005 at 02:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
    Malcolm,

    Strathclyde was not part of Scotland until the early 11th century.

    The Later 11th century saw its territory split between Scotland and England.

    Welsh names were still commonly recorded in southern Scotland during the 12th century (Edit:actually, probably longer, I just don't have any other examples lying around).

    The last time that the charters of the kings of Scotland specifically mentioned the Welsh of the kingdom was in the 12th century (edit: it was during the reign of William the Lion so may have been in the early 13th century).

    The veneration of Welsh saints continued on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border for a long time (Edit:I'm guessing until the reformation).

    I reckon William Wallace probably had a fair idea of his heritage.


    Edit: P.S. I just mentioned Paul Dianno to wind up the hardcore Bruce-ites.
    Sorry, I miscounted the centuries... only 1 off, though... He may have known his heritage, but was still Scottish
    It was not theirs to reason why,
    It was not theirs to make reply,
    It was theirs but to do or die.
    -The Charge of the Light Brigade - Alfred, Lord Tennyson

    "Wherever this stone shall lie, the King of the Scots shall rule"
    -Prophecy of the Stone of Destiny

    "For God, For King and country, For loved ones home and Empire, For the sacred cause of justice, and The freedom of the world, They buried him among the kings because he, Had done good toward God and toward his house."
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    Malcolm, come on, ruled by the king of Scots, yes, Scottish, as in Gaelic, quite possibly not, or only partially so.

    I know that you know this but...
    Scotland seems to have been, at that time, a mix of ethnically Welsh, Scandinavian, Flemish, French, Gaelic (I could put Irish for that but, suffice to say, the medieval Gael was fully aware of his cultural ties to Ireland), English and the Gaelic/Pictish mixed population(which seems to have been overwhelmingly Gaelicised by this point, I did have a reference to a manuscript that refers to the last Pictish speakers in an area but I think it was before this time. It was also about rights to land between some Scots and some French clergy, the Scots seemed to have been saying "well, this land was inhabited by our forefathers who were Pictish until quite recently, so the land should be ours").

    so, um, yeah, Scottish as in from the geographical area of the Kingdom of Scotland. Scottish as in from one of the many different ethnic groups in the kingdom. Scottish as in Gaelic? maybe, possibly not.

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