The history of Homosexuality

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-29-2005, 12:12

Concerned about how homosexual issues are debated abroad, I came up with the history of homosexuality..

Since when is the existence of homosexuality proved to be? Were there any significant figures or actions concerned with homosexuality ? Did the heretics hunt in medieval times ever concern about such people -not only so called "witches" ? Yes, I know that some Ottoman padishahs had such affairs but how about the other cultures and for figures who are not from royals - if any?

P.S. I am dubious about what may be happening in Turkey when it is a publicized homosexual issue, demonstration etc. -something that we'll face somehow along the road to EU, I think.

**Steppe Merc** · 11-29-2005, 13:04

I think most of the time it was bisexuality, with someone having both male and female lovers. Certaint Ancient Greeks practiced this, for example.

But I think most of the time it was of the nobility or royalty, as you said...

**aw89** · 11-29-2005, 13:56

Weren't there several ancient tribes that consider homosexuals to have two souls or some such?

**The Wizard** · 11-29-2005, 16:13

Well, with the Greeks, it must be noted that their perception of what we have dubbed 'homosexuality' was completely different. So much so, in fact, that you can say that only the deed itself was the same.

**ajaxfetish** · 11-29-2005, 17:01

It is very directly addressed in the Old Testament Law of Moses, so was certainly a significant issue even by that time (somewhere around 1000-500 bc). Plenty of prominent homosexuals or probably homosexuals (or bisexuals), such as Richard 1 & Edward II of England, or even arguably David & Jonathan in ancient Israel, and certainly many classical period Greeks (real & mythological, eg Achilles) who considered loving a man to be superior to loving a woman. As a guess, I'd say its history is about as long as the history of man.

Ajax

**LeftEyeNine** · 11-29-2005, 20:41

Oh btw, a society called Lud (or Lut) had been massacred due to being all homosexuals according to Quran.

**Mouzafphaerre** · 12-05-2005, 07:39

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Well, with the Greeks, it must be noted that their perception of what we have dubbed 'homosexuality' was completely different. So much so, in fact, that you can say that only the deed itself was the same.

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A safe way of having your way without risking illegit children and demanding wives.

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**Quietus** · 12-05-2005, 08:30

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Concerned about how homosexual issues are debated abroad, I came up with the history of homosexuality..

Since when is the existence of homosexuality proved to be? Were there any significant figures or actions concerned with homosexuality ? Did the heretics hunt in medieval times ever concern about such people -not only so called "witches" ? Yes, I know that some Ottoman padishahs had such affairs but how about the other cultures and for figures who are not from royals - if any?

P.S. I am dubious about what may be happening in Turkey when it is a publicized homosexual issue, demonstration etc. -something that we'll face somehow along the road to EU, I think.

Homosexuality is much, much older than history can ever tell. Much like Murder, it can never be pinpointed exactly.

To quote one of my favorite songs ever: "In a same old Cain and Abel syndrome, far more ancient than the Fall of Rome". It is likely old as sexual differentiation itself (eg. two sexes).

As for the history, I've read of Elite homosexual warriors (sacred band?), where an old veteran is paired with a young one to fight in chariots.