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    Default Re: Levy Spearmen don't have a bonus VS horses

    Quote Originally Posted by Martinus
    Yeah the Saxon and Frank ones.

    The Franks have no anti-horse infantry, other then mercs.
    Might want to recheck that, as it shows +4 spear bonus in the Excel file I have for all three "light_spear, spear_bonus_4". Don't know if it is actually *working* since the unit is javelin primary. However this sort of arrangement seems to work in RTW for Forester warband with archer primary in RTW--although those guys are not exactly pushovers anyway.
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    Default Re: Levy Spearmen don't have a bonus VS horses

    Units with Light_spear attribute (such as the ones you mentioned) don't show the 'Bonus versus Cavalry' ability as far as I'm aware. Light spear suggests the bonus received is less than the regular 'spear' attribute, but probably also gives less of a penalty against other infantry. I think regular spear attribute gives a +2 bonus for other non-spear infantry that attack the unit or something along those lines. In other words, the anti-cavalry bonus received by the levies is marginal, but still there. That's what I imagine, although I've never tested it fully.
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    Default Re: Levy Spearmen don't have a bonus VS horses

    All infantry units with "light_spear" also get the spear bonus of 4 from what I've seen in the files, all with the regular "spear" attribute get spear bonus of 8 (looking at the new RTW 1.3 settings.)

    It takes a rather substantial bonus to have much effect vs. cav., so the +4 and +8 settings make sense. These are in fact similar to what I used when modding the game for myself in 1.2. Now I don't have to mod spears, which is a plus.
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    Default Re: Levy Spearmen don't have a bonus VS horses

    So they do have a bonus, I must have been looking in the wrong place.

    I think I shall use them more.

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    Default Re: Levy Spearmen don't have a bonus VS horses

    Quote Originally Posted by Martinus
    So they do have a bonus, I must have been looking in the wrong place.

    I think I shall use them more.
    You probably looked at the primary weapon stats.

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    Default Re: Levy Spearmen don't have a bonus VS horses

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    All infantry units with "light_spear" also get the spear bonus of 4 from what I've seen in the files, all with the regular "spear" attribute get spear bonus of 8 (looking at the new RTW 1.3 settings.)

    It takes a rather substantial bonus to have much effect vs. cav., so the +4 and +8 settings make sense. These are in fact similar to what I used when modding the game for myself in 1.2. Now I don't have to mod spears, which is a plus.
    There appears to be very few values you can set the spear_bonus setting to in my experience. 4 works, as does 8, and possibly 6, but odd numbers and anything lower than 2 causes in an error I think. I wonder why the bonus is so limited.
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