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    On the upside, at least they're not gay hookers:

    Report: U.S. buys positive press in Iraq
    Pentagon spokesman vows to look into allegations
    Thursday, December 1, 2005 Posted: 0205 GMT (1005 HKT)

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. military offered a mixed message Wednesday about whether it embraced one of its own programs that reportedly paid a consulting firm and Iraqi newspapers to plant favorable stories about the war and the rebuilding effort.

    Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a military spokesman in Iraq, said the program is "an important part of countering misinformation in the news by insurgents."

    "This is a military program initiated with the multinational force to help get factual information about ongoing operations into Iraqi news," Johnson said in an e-mail. "I want to emphasize that all information used for marketing these stories is completely factual."

    A spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, however, called a report detailing the program troubling if true and said he was looking into the matter. (Watch the allegations of buying positive news in Baghdad papers -- 2:03)

    Details about the program were first reported by the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday. It marked the second time this year that Pentagon programs have come under scrutiny for reported payments made to journalists for favorable press.

    Two other federal agencies have been investigated in the past year for similar activities, leading Congress' Government Accountability Office to condemn one, the Education Department, for engaging in illegal covert propaganda.

    The Los Angeles Times quoted unidentified officials as saying that some of the stories in Iraqi newspapers were written by U.S. troops and while basically factual, they sometimes give readers a slanted view of what is happening in Iraq.

    Some of those officials expressed fear that use of such stories could hurt the U.S. military's credibility, the newspaper said.

    Defense Department officials did not deny the story's allegations, and Rumsfeld spokesman Bryan Whitman said he was looking into the program.

    Whitman said the department has clear principles for dealing with news organizations, "so this article raises some question as to whether or not some of the practices that are described in there are consistent with the principles of this department."

    He would not specify the questions he felt the article raised.

    Sen. Richard Lugar, an Indiana Republican who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, questioned the program Wednesday.

    "I wouldn't fault somebody trying to get the American message out," Lugar said. "[It] may be about the only way that any sort of a message will ever get to anybody. But that's a very forlorn conclusion early on, and really sort of violates what we're attempting to do to begin with in our emphasis on democracy."

    The Pentagon hired the Lincoln Group, a Washington-based firm that translates the stories into Arabic and places them in Baghdad newspapers, the newspaper reported.

    The organization's staff or subcontractors in Iraq occasionally pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they hand stories to Iraqi media outlets, it said.

    Laurie Adler, a spokeswoman for the Lincoln Group, said Wednesday she could not comment on the contract because it is with the U.S. government.

    The company, which does work in Iraq, is a public affairs firm that does advertising and other communications in "challenging locations," she said.

    John Schulz, a former executive with Voice of America who is now dean of the Boston University College of Communication, called the military program scary.

    "The Bush administration, and some elements within the Defense Department, do not seem to grasp the irony that, in their efforts to create, impose or inspire democratic society in Iraq, they are subverting the very core of what democracy means and are instead, by example, undercutting the very thing they are attempting to instill in Iraq," Schulz said.

    In the last year, the Bush administration has been called to task for paying journalists to promote its programs. GAO slammed the Education Department for illegal propaganda when the agency paid columnist Armstrong Williams to publicize the "No Child Left Behind" education law.

    And the GAO is looking into the Heath and Human Services Department's contract with syndicated columnist Maggie Gallagher to help promote a marriage initiative.

    Earlier this year, the Pentagon's inspector general's office said it was investigating a program that paid journalists to write articles and commentary for a Web site called Southeast European Times that was aimed at influencing opinion in the Balkans.

    Military officials who spoke to the Los Angeles Times on the condition of anonymity said the "Information Operations Task Force," part of a multinational corps with headquarters in Baghdad, bought an Iraqi newspaper and took over a radio station to put out pro-American messages.

    Neither outlet was named out of fear that they would be targeted by insurgents, the newspaper said.

    The stories in Iraqi newspapers often praise the efforts of U.S. and Iraqi troops, denounce terrorism and promote the country's reconstruction efforts.

    The Times said documents it obtained showed that the Baghdad-based newspaper Al Mutamar was paid about $50 to run one of the stories, which had the headline "Iraqis Insist on Living Despite Terrorism" on August 6.

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    The Los Angeles Times quoted unidentified officials as saying that some of the stories in Iraqi newspapers were written by U.S. troops and while basically factual, they sometimes give readers a slanted view of what is happening in Iraq.
    Too bad we have to pay journalists to show the positive facts about Iraq when most are willing to slant views to favor the terrorists for free.

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    With the way things have been going, I wouldn't be surprised if they find out later that some of them were fake or wrongfully exaggerated Nothing that we know so far shows that they were fake or incorrect though.

    The lack of internal control has been very troubling to me.

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    Oh no! The government may have put out some propaganda as part of the war effort in Iraq- such a scandal!

    Operations such as this are important to any war effort- I hope the person who leaked this is punished appropriately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Oh no! The government may have put out some propaganda as part of the war effort in Iraq- such a scandal!

    Operations such as this are important to any war effort- I hope the person who leaked this is punished appropriately.
    The whole point of the war was to spread freedom of speech and democracy. By doing this America only shoots itself in the foot.

    Whoever leaked it should be commended and become a politician.

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    The news stories are fake because they're being presented as independent articles. They may also be factually incorrect--the US government's first response was to say the articles are correct, but of course if they're presented as independent then they are NOT factually correct, and we have to depent on the word of the US government that they are correct. This is the same government that told us the Iraq had WMDs, the Al Qaeda operatives had been supported by the Iraqi government, that Iraq would be able to finance its own reconstruction, that the US would be welcomed with flowers in the streets as a liberator, and that as of last spring the insurgency was in its 'last throes'. So please excuse me if I treat the propaganda coming out of a psy-ops operative with EXTREME skepticism.

    Remember when the Bushies planted that gay guy in the White House press core to lob softball questions at the president when the press was actually doing its job and asking the president real questions? Remember when it was exposed that the Bush government had paid American reporters to plant news stories favourable to its programs? Well, the Bush government admitted this was wrong for a democracy and reneged on their agreements (and the gay guy was expelled from the press corps, especially after it became known that he had run a gay porn website and posted nude pictures of himself on it). The Bush government was forced to concede that preventing the creation of a transparent, free press is not acceptable in a democracy. Why is it acceptable now?

    And don't use that tired old, 'They're doing it too' argument. Zarqawi and his gang are also massacring civilians--that doesn't make it acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC
    The whole point of the war was to spread freedom of speech and democracy. By doing this America only shoots itself in the foot.
    How's that? By trying to tell positive news stories and attempting to win hearts and minds they're shooting themselves in the foot- I dont follow you. Where's the scandal? Why wouldnt our forces try to draw attention to any positive deeds they are doing? It'd be stupid not to.

    Whoever leaked it should be commended and become a politician.
    I guess that might be punishement enough.

    But seriously, the person who blew the lid off of a, by all accounts, harmless and largely factual upbeat news campaign designed to help rally the Iraqi people behind their new government and should be punished. Now it's ruined, any positive news in Iraq will likely be dismissed as American "propaganga" now regardless of its source. Whoever did this destroyed a benign hearts & minds program and has pointlessly and stupidly undermined our efforts in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    But seriously, the person who blew the lid off of a, by all accounts, harmless and largely factual upbeat news campaign designed to help rally the Iraqi people behind their new government and should be punished.
    'By all accounts' they are certainly not harmless and certainly not factual. They have obviously done considerable harm to the image of the US in Iraq, as you yourself note: "any positive news in Iraq will likely be dismissed as American "propaganga" now regardless of its source." And that's exactly what it is: Propaganda. The fact that its coming from a source you like doesn't make it any less wrong.

    Did you find the planting of stories to be acceptable in the USA when the Bush government did it? Would it be ok for the DNC to secretly pay reporters to plant stories on FoxNews that are favourable to the democrats? I have a hard time believing you'd be fine with that. But of course if Americans are doing something, then I guess by definition it must be morally acceptable, even if it stinks like a pile of ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Too bad we have to pay journalists to show the positive facts about Iraq when most are willing to slant views to favor the terrorists for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    It's a funny old world. Americans used to distrust big government. Nowadays they seem to love it, trust it, need it. Osama's ways are strangely effective.
    BAH!!! thats just propaganda from the big government, i don't want a big government, i want a big military and big economy(not in china mind you) and a fair yet unbribed judicial system, oh yeah and as an after though strip all lawyers of there liscences so we can be free of them for like 2 years while there gettin new ones.

    also i say good even if they had to pay to do it its good news, the view is very slanted into seeming as if the entire thing is a failure, and why do they not print the praise that our people deserve, MONEY, we have unknowingly given them capitalist fever, but still show the good side for once yu money grubbing bastards.

    ugh, well i guess the only thing wrong with capitalism is capitalists, and lo behold they rule the government/press/economy and probably everything else.

    ok dats my ranting, enjoy.
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    Adrian, you are very much mistaken if you think I like big government.

    Oh, and in answer to the topic's question; No, it says in the article you C&P'd that the news is factually correct.

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    What strikes me about this is just how badly the US military sucks. It's really pathetic, because their propoganda war just isn't working at all.

    These "psychological warfare" experts need some remedial lessons back at the psych war academy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solypsist
    What strikes me about this is just how badly the US military sucks. It's really pathetic, because their propoganda war just isn't working at all.
    The psy-ops may suck, but the fighting forces can still blow **** up in stupendous amounts.


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    The psy-ops may suck, but the fighting forces can still blow **** up in stupendous amounts.

    Which psy-ops is worse ?
    Paying for stories under false pretences because only Al-Jazeera (oh they are the evil media arn't they) covers the good news locally .
    Or burning people so you can tell the locals that you are tougher than the terrorists .
    The second really sucks , the first only sucks because you have to do it as there have been so many stories from official sources that have been shown to false that when there is good news you have to pretend it is from independant sources as people don't believe you anymore .

    Paying people to believe what you have to say ????
    What a waste of money , if they had retained any credibility it wouldn't be neccesary.

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    Default Re: Did US pay Iraqis to plant fake news stories?

    If the local media doesn't cooperate, you could always use Kaiser's likely approach to the matter.

    Having to actually pay local media to run positive stories isn't exactly going to help credibility or raise hopes about the situation in Iraq, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    The psy-ops may suck, but the fighting forces can still blow **** up in stupendous amounts.

    Which psy-ops is worse ?
    Paying for stories under false pretences because only Al-Jazeera (oh they are the evil media arn't they) covers the good news locally .
    Or burning people so you can tell the locals that you are tougher than the terrorists .
    Armies are usually measured for their ability to destroy stuff. The US armed forces are really good at it, so they don't suck in that regard. I only meant the fighting forces are tough, not that people like getting shot better than being fed propaganda.
    If you're fighting fair you've made a miscalculation.

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    Armies are usually measured for their ability to destroy stuff.
    Yeah , but this isn't a destroy stuff fight is it , it is a lets convince the locals that we are the way forward and we are here to help you fight .
    If there were improvements on the ground then they wouldn't have to pay journalists to tell them how much things have improved as the locals could see it for themselves .
    And as for the other psy-ops incident I mentioned , that has to be just about the most counterproductive hearts and minds psycology in the history of the world .

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