Your best generals

[miho]

Here are the V&Vs of my guys

[lugh]

On the ex-royals issue:
The reason I think some people want them excluded is that you can get unbeleibvably good generals fromsecond sons. Try fulfilling all the crusades in a single Kings reign and see what his younger sons turn out as, they're godamn monstrous. Put them in charge of a decent army and those 9*s' worth of extra valour is going to tear through enemy armies allowing the general to rack up even greater stats. Take a look at mine, expert attacker, great against poor odds etc etc.

On the Genoese:
Yeah, the Marquis is right, Genoese in XL. I was turtling mainly, took the peninsula and the Holy Lands and just teched up and had fun destroying massive French and Egyptian armies (I had 5 9* generals by the end of that campaign). I only had ships to keep the Holy Lands in contact with home and hadn't spammed bishops to spy everywhere.
The Genoese appeared on my borders in Spain and the Holy Lands around 1320 and I realised something was very badly wrong. I spent a century and a half supporting other factions against them, kind of in a cold war scenario, we never traded blows ourselves. I'd assasinate, burn generals, cause revolts where I could and scoop up the provinces when they rebelled. Pretty much all the territoty but Spain and the mid east was taken in that manner.
I still won though on GA points, so it's all good.

[Eternal Champion]

On the ex-royals issue:
The reason I think some people want them excluded is that you can get unbeleibvably good generals fromsecond sons.

Exactly, just look at the Byz in early with all those high command princes just given to you early in the game. Also princes are "born" with V&vVs that also boost stats. I think some feel that those guys who came from the ground up (1 * or 2 *), duking it out battle after battle eraning those * to be just a little more amazing then the random 8* star heir born with valor and stat pumping V&V's. It doesn't make those guys less valuable, just less amazing.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have any of those guys shown in this thread.

[m52nickerson]

Exactly, just look at the Byz in early with all those high command princes just given to you early in the game. Also princes are "born" with V&vVs that also boost stats. I think some feel that those guys who came from the ground up (1 * or 2 *), duking it out battle after battle eraning those * to be just a little more amazing then the random 8* star heir born with valor and stat pumping V&V's. It doesn't make those guys less valuable, just less amazing.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have any of those guys shown in this thread.

Absolutely, I tend to like my 4-5 star generals who came from nothing better then the 7-8 star princes. I also like generals who are in infantry units. I always put them right in the fight with there men, were a good leader should be.

[The Darkhorn]

I had a 9 star Katank die within a couple of minutes of routing the center of the mongol line after charging downhill into a mass of warriors. I don't get it. Perhaps someone shot him?