Head of Muslim counsel offers himself as hostage
Nadeem Elyas has stated that he would do anything to help the release of the German hostage in Iraq Susanne Osthoff, including replacing her has hostage. He further said that "the world expects rightfully of the islamic leaders to condemn unmistakably any kind of violence, terrorism and mistreatment of humans in general and especially of those deeds that happen in the name of Islam."
Unfortunately I only have a German source:
http://www.gmx.net/de/themen/nachric...3881SXjQY.html
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From your description, this sounds like a noble and praiseworthy act. He also sounds like a good man, and is spot on with his remark. Too bad there are not more people like him.
Crazed Rabbit
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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Too bad there are not more people like him.
Yep definately a unique person , so unique that the head of the British council offered to do the same when there were British hostages involved.
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Oh right, since hoping for more people like him meant that there are no other people like him at all in the world. Not one, zero, zip, zilch. Thanks for pointing that out to me, since I obviously don't know as well as you do what I'm thinking when I'm writing something. How menancing your arguments are to your own strawmen!
Crazed Rabbit
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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Gah, you kids need to stop playing with strawmen.
OT: Big f'n deal!
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Actually it is a big deal. If the faithful of Islam begin to turn away from those that spout volience and use terrorism in the name of their religion - the ability for the terrorist to use religion to justify his actions are reduced - which will in turn hopefully reduce the draw of the religious into such actions.Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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Too bad that people have to start do this this kind of thing and jeopardize their own lives in order to get respect, not only for them but for an entire culture.
E: Spelling...
Last edited by Soulforged; 12-05-2005 at 04:42.
Born On The Flames
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Something expectable from a community where suicide-bombers are so common lately, eh ?To bad that people have to start to this this kind of thing and jeopardize their own lives in order to get respect, not only for them but for an entire culture.
P.S. We sometimes must try to believe that people are committing something for only good - I disfavor the opinion that he may be trying to earn any respect from this.
Last edited by LeftEyeNine; 12-05-2005 at 04:28.
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I didn't said it in that way. However one of the side effects is a search for respect and to demonstrate of what humans in general are capable of... Don't misunderstand me LEN, I too think that the man might do this out of corage and compassion, but I was trying to point out what it takes for other people to recognize the value of others. How much it takes for many to say "at least there's some like him".
Born On The Flames
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This is a very good point indeed Red. But let me post you a quest: What happens when the premises that lead the extremits to the border of irrationality is in the same "Holy" book that they follow, many at the letter? I always want to see how an still-being-faithful sees this kind of subjects.They don't - the error of the faithful exists in their lack of public outcry of what the extremists are doing in the name of thier religion. As more and more of the true followers of the religion voice their opposition and their outrage of what is being done in the name of thier religion - the less the terrorist is able to draw upon that message.
Born On The Flames
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Not an easy question to answer. The extremists have an interpation of the book that is different from the intent of the orginial teachings and messages of the Prophet Muhammad for Islam - and the teachings of Jesus Christ for Christianity.
For instance as a Christian if I just followed the teachings of the Old Testiment - I would be incorrect in my faith - since as a Christian the gospel that is my faith is the word of Jesus in the New Testiment - not the Old Testiment.
Old Testiment teaching would allow me to make certain claims to religious justifications - however they would all be out of context of my proscribed faith - since the New Testiment is the tentant of my faith.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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Islam has a history of treating people of other religions with respect, Saladin the supposed enemy of Christendom was far more merciful that the so called Richard the 'lionhearted'.
It is only recently that its got a bad press.
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Now this is what I call guts; thumbs up for this man. I hope they will let her go, but these necrophile perverts will probably do what they do best anyway because of germany's undying support to the United States.
oh wait......
Ah who cares as long as you get to cut of heads. Now that I think of it, shouldn't the title be 'Muslim council offers head'?
Last edited by Fragony; 12-06-2005 at 12:29.
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Yes but what you know of Jesus or Muhammad is in the Holy Books, it's interpretation on itself, because none of them could have expressed themselves about any matter in life even with a general principle. So it's still a matter of interpretation. Many inmoral rules from christian doctrine come from the New Testament as well.
So this will justify jews from just punishing anyone that the bible expressely sais so, because they're excused in the reverent fear to God?For instance as a Christian if I just followed the teachings of the Old Testiment - I would be incorrect in my faith - since as a Christian the gospel that is my faith is the word of Jesus in the New Testiment - not the Old Testiment.
That maybe truth, however the word of God is composed by the two parts, you cannot simply ignore one of them and follow with the other.Old Testiment teaching would allow me to make certain claims to religious justifications - however they would all be out of context of my proscribed faith - since the New Testiment is the tentant of my faith.
Born On The Flames
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Yes they can! That's what the whole scam is about! Jeeeeeeez.
Last edited by Byzantine Prince; 12-07-2005 at 05:24.
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As regards to Muhammad - you would be incorrect. There are plently of writings on the prophet - that exist from within the time period of his life.
Now Jesus - his message and existance is contained within the New Testiment - with several historical writings that mention his name but not his history - but they are few - and spread over different time periods.
If the complete work is not used then the unterpretation of the individual is questionable, because the fraility of being man come into play.So it's still a matter of interpretation. Many inmoral rules from christian doctrine come from the New Testament as well.
Only as it relates to the text of passage, and only if that individual is jewish - however it doesn't not justify the individual of jewish faith from violating man's laws.So this will justify jews from just punishing anyone that the bible expressely sais so, because they're excused in the reverent fear to God?
You don't ignore the Old Testiment - you have to apply the New Testiment to the context of the Old Testiment. When one ignore's the teaching of the New Testiment to follow only the tenants of the Old Testiment that individual is not a Christian - to be a Christian you have to believe in Jesus Christ. By that belief you subscribe to the Good News carried in the New Testiment.That maybe truth, however the word of God is composed by the two parts, you cannot simply ignore one of them and follow with the other.
Last edited by Redleg; 12-07-2005 at 05:42.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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Yes I thought as much, I remembered it later. However they're writings about his phylosophy or his biography?
But what if the whole work is questionable?If the complete work is not used then the unterpretation of the individual is questionable, because the fraility of being man come into play.
If I believe in a superior being, who will punish me like a tyrant for all the eternity...What will I fear more: the laws of Earth for a period of time or the laws of Heaven? If I were an inteligent man I'll chose the second.Only as it relates to the text of passage, and only if that individual is jewish - however it doesn't not justify the individual of jewish faith from violating man's laws.
But Jesus believed in the Old Testament, he respected and followed it in many matters if not all.You don't ignore the Old Testiment - you have to apply the New Testiment to the context of the Old Testiment. When one ignore's the teaching of the New Testiment to follow only the tenants of the Old Testiment that individual is not a Christian - to be a Christian you have to believe in Jesus Christ. By that belief you subscribe to the Good News carried in the New Testiment.
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